[cabfpub] Ballot Forum-12: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws [Was: "Ballot Forum-XX: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws to version 2.3"]
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
dzacharo at harica.gr
Wed Apr 29 18:56:26 UTC 2020
I forgot to mention that the Google Document is not currently synced
with the GitHub draft.
If you want to take a look at the current draft of version 2.3, check out
https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/blob/update-bylaws-to-v2.3/docs/Bylaws.md
As promised, I will provide a docx and a PDF redline when the ballot starts.
Dimitris.
On 2020-04-29 9:50 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestions. I accepted most of
> them.
>
> You can see the full list of changes in
> https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/pull/2
>
> Unfortunately I couldn't get these changes earlier to meet the
> expected timeline but we're here now. I'm still looking for one more
> endorser to get the ballot started.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Dimitris.
>
> On 2020-04-22 10:13 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek wrote:
>>
>> Dimitris,
>>
>> I made some comments in github about a few minor issues that I think
>> it would be useful to resolve, but this draft is close enough to the
>> desired final state that I’d feel comfortable endorsing it, if that
>> removes a roadblock to it moving forward.
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>> *From:* Public <public-bounces at cabforum.org> *On Behalf Of *Dimitris
>> Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 2:15 AM
>> *To:* CABforum1 <public at cabforum.org>
>> *Subject:* [cabfpub] Ballot Forum-12: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws [Was:
>> "Ballot Forum-XX: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws to version 2.3"]
>>
>>
>> We made some progress and we're getting closer to starting the
>> discussion period for this ballot. We're "almost" there :)
>>
>> I have created a pull request
>> https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/pull/2 that contains all the
>> changes we discussed in past meetings. We have two (final?) issues to
>> address before proceeding:
>>
>> 1. Ryan suggested that we replace the term "Full Member" (new term I
>> proposed) with "Voting Member". I support this change which makes
>> things clearer to the readers. "Members" would be the total of
>> "Voting Members, Associate Members and Interested Parties".
>> 2. We added the term "Voting Representative". My suggestion was to
>> leave "the *process *to designate Voting Representatives for
>> voting members" to the individual Chartered Working Group
>> charters to address. Google strongly feels the assignment process
>> should be addressed and described in the Bylaws and be
>> Forum-level consistent. I don't have strong feelings about this
>> and would be happy to make this process Forum-wide.
>>
>> I would like to hear any feedback with objections or concerns
>> regarding these two changes. Unless I hear otherwise, I will proceed
>> with these updates on Friday April 24. Hopefully, if I get a second
>> endorser we can start the discussion period on April 27. As promised,
>> the discussion will remain open for at least 14 days before
>> considering voting to begin.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Dimitris.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2020-02-29 12:07 π.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2020-02-28 5:29 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dimitris,
>>
>> There's a lot of changes here, and this will take us quite a
>> bit of time to digest.
>>
>> I don't know that we're necessarily supportive of the "Full
>> Member" definition, and the implications that has. The
>> implicit consequences of treating Interested Parties as
>> Members of the Forum is not what was intended with the
>> current Bylaws, as I understand it, and so it has
>> ramifications throughout. That is, our definitions have
>> historically been "Member, Associate Member, Interested
>> Party" - with zero overlap. This seems to redefine things to
>> be "Full Member, Associate Member, Interested Party", with
>> using "Member" as the aggregate term for all three, and it's
>> unclear why that was necessary.
>>
>>
>> The concern that was documented in the Bylaws issues was that it
>> becomes confusing when we use plural (i.e. Forum Members, WG
>> Members). Does that include "all Members"? Does it include only
>> "Members" (with a capital "M")? Does it include every Forum
>> member? That's mainly the problem I tried to solve by adding the
>> "Full Member" definition. However, if we can find an alternative
>> approach to achieve the same goal, I would support it.
>>
>>
>> However, the biggest concern remains with the approach to the
>> Chair / Vice Chair making changes to "Informative" sections.
>> We're tremendously appreciative of your efforts here in
>> finding a solution, and we're trying to work through how best
>> to propose changes that capture the intent. We're very
>> appreciative of the explicit attempt to limit the scope in
>> sucha manner.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for that, all I did was include some language that was
>> proposed in previous meeting. I hope it will only require a few
>> more tweaks to become acceptable by Google.
>>
>> Dimitris.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:15 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos
>> (HARICA) via Public <public at cabforum.org
>> <mailto:public at cabforum.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just received a comment that Section 2.3 point 7 also
>> needs to precede all occurrences of "Member" with "Full",
>> as Interested Parties are sometimes able to participate
>> in Forum Teleconferences, etc, and so may affect the
>> quorum without a corresponding ability to vote.
>>
>> So, I updated this paragraph to:
>>
>> "7. A ballot result will be considered valid only when
>> more than half of the number of currently active Full
>> Members has participated. The number of currently active
>> Full Members is the average number of Full Member
>> organizations that have participated in the previous
>> three (3) Forum Meetings and Forum Teleconferences."
>>
>> There is no need to circulate a new version yet. I'll
>> wait for more feedback.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dimitris.
>>
>> On 2020-02-27 8:51 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
>> via Public wrote:
>>
>> Following up from the latest F2F meeting, I have
>> prepared a ballot for a Bylaws update.
>>
>> I am looking for two endorsers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dimitris.
>>
>>
>> *Purpose of Ballot:* The Forum has identified and
>> discussed a number of improvements to be made to the
>> current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and
>> allow the Forum to function more effectively. Most of
>> these changes are described in the “Issues with
>> Bylaws to be addressed
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtrIy3F5cPge0_M-C8J6fe72KcVI8H5Q_2S6S31ynU0>”
>> document.
>>
>> Here is a list of major changes:
>>
>> 1. Clarification of the use of the term “Member” so
>> it is clear when we discuss about all Forum
>> Members (which includes Associate Members and
>> Interested Parties), and when we discuss about
>> the “Full Members”.
>> 2. Adding the term “Voting Representative” which is
>> designated by each Member. Only votes submitted
>> by Voting Representatives will be considered
>> 3. Replacing of the term “Forum wiki” with the
>> properly defined term “Member Web Site”
>> 4. Removing references for Webmaster in the
>> definition of “Public Web Site” since it is
>> repeated in section 5.2
>> 5. New Photography Policy in Exhibit D
>> 6. Clarification of 4.1 (2) that Forum Members
>> nominate representatives
>> 7. Allowing informative changes to Guidelines by the
>> Chair or Vice Chair
>> 8. In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is
>> trusted in the “latest” software produced by a
>> Certificate Consumer
>>
>> *— MOTION BEGINS –*
>>
>> *Amendment to the Bylaws:* Replace the entire text of
>> the Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum with the attached
>> version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws draft v2.3.pdf).
>>
>> *
>> — MOTION ENDS –*
>>
>> A red-line is also attached (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws
>> draft v2.3 redline.pdf).
>>
>> The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:
>>
>> Formal discussion period: (14+ days)
>>
>> Ballot Discussion Begins: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
>>
>> Ballot Discussion Ends: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
>>
>> Vote for approval (7 days)
>>
>> Ballot Vote Begins: TBD
>>
>> Ballot Vote Ends: TBD
>>
>>
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