[Servercert-wg] [External Sender] Question regarding the id-ad-caIssuers accessMethod URI

Thu Apr 25 12:41:30 UTC 2024

Hi Ryan,

The question is not between HTTP vs FTP vs LDAP but specifically for 
"HTTP URL" that could have two schemes "http" and "https".

RFC 2616 (June 1999) included only "http" and was updated in May 2000 by 
RFC 2817 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2817> to include TLS 
Within HTTP/1.1 ("https").

I hope this clarifies the issue.

Dimitris.

On 25/4/2024 3:29 μ.μ., Ryan Dickson via Servercert-wg wrote:
> It's my understanding that the intent of the updates made in SC-62 
> were to prohibit any non-HTTP URI. This was discussed in:
>
> 1) at least one historical GitHub discussion 
> <https://github.com/sleevi/cabforum-docs/pull/36> (referenced in 
> ballot preamble 
> <https://cabforum.org/2023/03/17/ballot-sc62v2-certificate-profiles-update/>):
>
>   * /"authorityInformationAccess: This is a new requirement./
>       o /BRs 7.1.2.2 (c) notes that it SHOULD contain the HTTP URL of
>         the Issuing CA's certificate and MAY contain the HTTP URL of
>         the Issuing CA's OCSP responder./
>       o /Some questions were raised about whether this means other
>         URLs, other schemes, or multiple URLs can be included. Similar
>         to crlDistributionPoints, the ordering of URLs implies
>         processing semantics on clients, and only particular URL
>         schemes are supported. Namely, if one of the two supported
>         access methods are present (CA issuer or OCSP), *then the only
>         URLs present MUST be HTTP URLs*, and MUST be listed in order
>         of priority./
>       o /This prohibits the use of other access methods, as they are
>         not used in the Web PKI."/
>
> /
> /
> and 2) Corey's Validation Subcommittee presentation at F2F 56 
> <https://cabforum.org/2022/06/06/minutes-of-the-f2f-56-meeting-in-warsaw-poland-6-8-june-2022/> (slide 
> 14 
> <https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/validation/attachments/20220608/ea4bb526/attachment-0001.pdf>, 
> /"Non-HTTP (i.e., LDAP and FTP) OCSP and CA Issuers URIs are 
> prohibited").//
> /
> /
> /
> D-Trust volunteered to propose an update to the BRs to address the 
> issue in this 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1884714#c1> Bugzilla Bug 
> (Actions Table).
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:44 AM Adriano Santoni via Servercert-wg 
> <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     IMO, including an HTTPS URI in the *id-ad-caIssuers* accessMethod
>     is at least a bad practice and very unwise (if done on purpose),
>     as it may give rise to unbounded loops, as it is clearly explained
>     in RFC5280:
>
>>     CAs SHOULD NOT include URIs that specify https, ldaps, or similar
>>     schemes in extensions.  CAs that include an https URI in one of these
>>     extensions MUST ensure that the server's certificate can be validated
>>     without using the information that is pointed to by the URI.  Relying
>>     parties that choose to validate the server's certificate when
>>     obtaining information pointed to by an https URI in the
>>     cRLDistributionPoints, authorityInfoAccess, or subjectInfoAccess
>>     extensions MUST be prepared for the possibility that this will result
>>     in unbounded recursion.
>
>     That said, whether it amounts to a violation of the BRs it's a
>     different matter. Generally speaking, since the requirement for
>     the *id-ad-caIssuers* accessMethod is expressed in the same way as
>     for the *id-ad-ocsp* accessMethod and for *distributionPoint* (see
>     7.1.2.11.2), therefore if using an "https" URI is indeed a
>     violation it should be so for all three cases.
>
>     It should also be noted that PKILINT contains a validator for
>     checking that the URI in the *id-ad-caIssuers* accessMethod starts
>     with "http://".
>
>     Adriano
>
>
>     Il 25/04/2024 08:10, Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
>     Servercert-wg ha scritto:
>>     NOTICE: Pay attention - external email - Sender is
>>     0100018f13e0c532-cd7a8efa-701a-498e-9678-2ba113a48abf-000000 at amazonses.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Dear Members,
>>
>>     I have a quick question regarding the id-ad-caIssuers
>>     accessMethod URI.
>>
>>     Section 4.2.2.1 of RFC 5280
>>     <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5280.html#section-4.2.2.1>
>>     states that:
>>
>>>     When theid-ad-caIssuersaccessMethod is used, at least one
>>>     instance SHOULD specify an accessLocation that is an HTTP
>>>     [RFC2616] or LDAP [RFC4516] URI.
>>
>>     RFC 2616 does not support https. That was introduced in a
>>     superseded version.
>>
>>     Since RFC 5280 points to RFC 2616, based on past discussions
>>     about strictly adhering to RFC 5280 despite the existence of
>>     superseded versions, I believe that the proper interpretation of
>>     this requirement is that the "http" scheme is allowed and "https"
>>     is not.
>>
>>     Do Members agree with that interpretation?
>>
>>     If this is the correct interpretation, would it be considered a
>>     violation of the BRs if a CA or end-entity certificate contains
>>     https:// URL in the id-ad-caIssuers accessMethod ?
>>
>>     I'm afraid that this might not be as clear in the BRs as it
>>     should be, so if people agree with the above, we should probably
>>     update section 7.1.2.7.7
>>     <https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/blob/main/docs/BR.md#71277-subscriber-certificate-authority-information-access>
>>     (and possibly other parts) to explicitly state that the allowed
>>     scheme is "http" and not "https", just like we do for the CRLDP
>>     in section 7.1.2.11.2
>>     <https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/blob/main/docs/BR.md#712112-crl-distribution-points>
>>     .
>>
>>
>>     Thank you,
>>     Dimitris.
>>
>>
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