[Smcwg-public] [External Sender] Re: Re: Re: SV certificates devoid of individual attributes

Adriano Santoni adriano.santoni at staff.aruba.it
Thu Oct 19 11:27:37 UTC 2023

I have created the pull request below.


Even if there exists some niche legacy uses cases, I believe it would be 
highly preferable to avoid allowing SV certificates that do not match 
the SV definition and are indistinguishable from OV certs. Besides, it 
appears that in such particular contexts OV certificates would still 
meet the need.

Looking for endorsers.


Il 16/10/2023 18:38, Martijn Katerbarg ha scritto:
> Happy to work with you on that. I do wonder what the cause and 
> original intent behind this was.
> I wonder if they key lies in the Note added to section
> “Legacy Generation profiles MAY omit the |subject:givenName|, 
> |subject:surname|, and |subject:pseudonym| attributes and include only 
> the |subject:commonName| as described in Section 
> <https://github.com/cabforum/smime/blob/main/SBR.md#71422-subject-distinguished-name-fields>.”
> Could it be that the original intent here was that subject:givenName, 
> subject:surname and subject:pseudonym are allowed to be left out, 
> *only* if subject:commonName was included *and* had either the 
> pseudonym or givenName+surname in it?
> I could see that as a possible legacy use case, with the intend to 
> deprecate. I’m not sure if any CA needs that use case at current though.
> Regards,
> Martijn
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> certificates devoid of individual attributes
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> I would suggest an amendment in order to correct this unintended 
> result; I'm available to dratf a proposal it if there are any endorsers.
> Adriano
> Il 16/10/2023 17:17, Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Smcwg-public ha scritto:
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>     I agree it's not a good thing. The SV profile was to support
>     certificates that include attributes of individuals validated by
>     the Enterprise RA. If we allow those to be missing, making it
>     effectively an OV Certificate, seems like an unintended result.
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