[Smcwg-public] Approved Minutes of SMCWG November 25, 2020

Stephen Davidson Stephen.Davidson at digicert.com
Sun Jan 17 13:48:32 UTC 2021

Minutes of SMCWG

November 25, 2020


These are the Approved Minutes of the Teleconference described in the
subject of this message. 


Adrian Mueller (SwissSign), Ahmad Syafiq Md Zaini (MSC Trustgate.com), Ali
Gholami (Telia Company), Andreas Henschel (D-TRUST), Atsushi Inaba
(GlobalSign), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Burkhard Wiegel (Zertificon), Chris
Kemmerer (SSL.com), Corey Bonnell (DigiCert), David Kluge (Google), Dean
Coclin (DigiCert), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Don Sheehy (WebTrust),
Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Enrico Entschew (D-TRUST), Hazhar Ismail (MSC
Trustgate.com), Hongquan Yin (Microsoft), India Donald (Federal PKI), James
Knapp (Federal PKI), Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa
Telecom), Mads Henriksveen (BuyPass), Matthias Wiedenhorst (ACAB'c), Nazmi
Abd Hadi (MSC Trustgate.com), Neil Dunbar (TrustCor), Patrycja Tulinska
(PSW), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE), Russ Housley (Vigil Security), Stephen
Davidson (DigiCert), Tadahiko Ito (SECOM Trust Systems), Thomas Connelly
(Federal PKI), Tim Crawford (WebTrust), Tim Hollebeek (DigiCert), Tsung-Min
Kuo (Chunghwa Telecom), Wendy Brown (Federal PKI)

1. Roll Call

The Roll Call was taken.

2. Read Antitrust Statement

The Antitrust/Compliance Statement was read.

3. Review Agenda

The Chair proposed deferring the discussion of new membership, and adding a
new agenda item relating to certificate policy OIDs.

4. Approval of minutes from last teleconference

The minutes of the November 11 teleconference were approved.  

5. Discussion of certificate profile

Stephen shared a preview of the S/MIME Baseline Requirements section 7 in
markdown format, currently in a private GitHub Repository.  The draft uses
the table format agreed upon in earlier meetings.  With the help of the
Infrastructure WG, the plan is to move towards using the cabf-smcwg-br
repository in early 2021 including for commenting and tracking of issues.


In part based upon Doug Beattie's comment on the public list, a discussion
was held on certificate-policy OIDs.  The OID arc has been
reserved for the S/MIME Baseline Requirements (SBR). The proposal is to
adopt familiar validation levels (DV, OV, IV) as found in TLS - with an
additional level for personal certs that include organizational details.
Dimitris Zacharopoulos suggested this should be linked to OV; Corey Bonnell
subsequently suggested the term "Sponsored Validation" (SV) to describe this


{joint-iso-itu-t(2) international-organizations(23) ca-browser-forum(140)
certificate-policies(1) smime-baseline(5) domain-validation (1)}

{joint-iso-itu-t(2) international-organizations(23) ca-browser-forum(140)
certificate-policies(1) smime-baseline(5) organization-validation (2)}

{joint-iso-itu-t(2) international-organizations(23) ca-browser-forum(140)
certificate-policies(1) smime-baseline(5) sponsored-validation (3)}

{joint-iso-itu-t(2) international-organizations(23) ca-browser-forum(140)
certificate-policies(1) smime-baseline(5) individual-validation (4)}


If required, extensions may be defined under the CABF certificate-extensions
arc  Examples might include identifiers for keys generated or
stored on cryptotokens etc.


Stephen Davidson proposed that certain Subject attributes be restricted,
mandatory or optional depending on the certificate policy. Tim Hollebeek
suggested that initial versions of the standard should be inclusive of
common Issuer practice.  Wendy Brown indicated that the L and S fields might
be considered optional except if required to disambiguate the Subject. 


A discussion was held regarding the Subject attributes described in RFC 3739
Section 3.1.2:















A particular focus involved attributes such as title and in particular
pseudonym, which may be beyond the ability of the CA to verify. It was
agreed that some might make sense in a "Sponsored Validation" context.  It
was indicated that pseudonym may reasonably be used for profile names or
English adopted names for international names.


It was agreed that at this stage we will focus on which fields might be
allowed for the various certificate-policy levels - knowing that we must
return to the required verification steps later in the process.


Certificate Issuers were requested to identify if they used Subject
attributes not identified here.  Wendy Brown mentioned the use of
dnQualifier to disambiguate Subjects, and indicated the range of uses of the
CommonName field, such as "Stephen Davidson (contractor)".  Dimitris
Zacharopoulos raised the use of the organizationIdentifier attribute in OV


It was pointed out that the Subject email field was deprecated albeit still
in common use.  A discussion began regarding rfc822name and the extent to
which the SBR should seek to define an email address. Lacking time, the
remaining agenda items were deferred to a future meeting.


6. Any Other Business


It was agreed that the December 23, 2020 meeting would be cancelled.

7. Next call

The next call will take place on December 9, 2020 at 11:00am Eastern Time.  







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