[Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2

Thu Oct 19 15:59:58 UTC 2023

For clarity, this is the entire set of changes allowed by the Chair 
outside the ballot process

/The set of changes are limited to: /

  * /The cover page,/
  * /The Table of Contents,/
  * /The year in the “Copyright” information,/
  * /Footers with page numbers,/
  * /Links to other sections within the document./

/The Chair or Vice-Chair of the Forum or of a CWG is also allowed to 
perform the following changes, unless the ballot explicitly updates this 
information:/

  * /The Guideline version number,/
  * /Headers/Footers with version numbers,/
  * /The table with document revisions or Document History,/
  * /The table with Relevant Dates./

Dimitris.

On 19/10/2023 6:05 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via 
Servercert-wg wrote:
>
>
> On 19/10/2023 4:51 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira wrote:
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>
> That's unfortunate because the language in the Bylaws seems 
> unambiguous. It doesn't say that the Chair is allowed to make /any/ 
> minor change but has an explicit set of changes. Even changing a 
> bulleted list into a numbered list would be a formatting change, but 
> that is clearly not allowed.
>
>> >Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the 
>> formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with 
>> associated new discussion period and voting period
>>
>> This proposed change by Ryan is not changing the content not 
>> adding/removing anything. The issue is due to the artifacts and the 
>> generating of the PDF. If you review that proposal, you´ll see that 
>> is to harmonize the GitHub and PDF styles.
>>
>
> The Git version is the canonical version, so in order to meet the 
> Bylaws, even if you change a full-stop , you must follow the process 
> of another round of discussion with the updated formatting change and 
> then start the voting.
>
> Thanks,
> Dimitris.
>
>> *De:*Corey Bonnell <Corey.Bonnell at digicert.com>
>> *Enviado el:* jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 14:21
>> *Para:* Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum 
>> Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List 
>> <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) 
>> <dzacharo at harica.gr>
>> *Asunto:* RE: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: 
>> Fall 2023 Clean-up v2
>>
>> Hi Inigo,
>>
>> Comments inline.
>>
>> > the chair of the CWG can perform some changes that do not change 
>> anything without requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s 
>> nothing to vote/discuss there
>>
>> Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the 
>> formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with 
>> associated new discussion period and voting period. This should be 
>> clear from Bylaws 2.4 (8), as modifying arbitrary formatting does not 
>> fall within the allowed set of post-voting changes that can be 
>> performed by the (Vice) Chair.
>>
>> > The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple issue with the format 
>> and it´s not changing the content nor anything else.
>>
>> Some members do see the formatting of these documents as significant 
>> and will vote accordingly. See [1] for a recent example.
>>
>> I agree with Dimitris: if this formatting change is to be included, 
>> then the ballot redline needs to be updated to incorporate the 
>> changes and the appropriate commits included in the immutable link. 
>> To do otherwise will likely result in confusion, as members will be 
>> unsure on what they’re voting on.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Corey
>>
>> [1] 
>> https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000810.html
>>
>> *From:*Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces at cabforum.org> *On Behalf 
>> Of *Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:56 AM
>> *To:* Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr>; CA/B 
>> Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List 
>> <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: 
>> Fall 2023 Clean-up v2
>>
>> Well, my interpretation is that this is not changing the ballot 
>> itself, the redline still remains the same (there´s no change in that 
>> redline) and only if this ballot passes, at the end, and before 
>> publishing, and considered section 2.4, item 8, the chair of the CWG 
>> can perform some changes that do not change anything without 
>> requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s nothing to 
>> vote/discuss there. The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple 
>> issue with the format and it´s not changing the content nor anything 
>> else.
>>
>> *De:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr>
>> *Enviado el:* jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 13:26
>> *Para:* Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum 
>> Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
>> *Asunto:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: 
>> Fall 2023 Clean-up v2
>>
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>> On 19/10/2023 12:43 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:
>>
>>     The voting period for this ballot has started. Note that
>>     Inconsistent document formatting (Markdown vs PDF) · Issue #462 ·
>>     cabforum/servercert (github.com)
>>     <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/462___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OmQwZGU6ODNmNGU4MzdlYjdlM2NkMjk1MjZhZjYzMGE3N2FjNGQ3MjQzOWRkZDNmNjJhODRlMjIwMDViZGEwYjk1OTg3YzpoOkY>
>>     will be also included (it´s a format issue with no content change).
>>
>>
>>
>> Inigo,
>>
>> You started the voting period on a specific ballot that has a 
>> specific redline 
>> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjJmNTc6MmVjNGFmY2RlODE2YjY5ZmMyODg2NGIxZjJlODMzNmFiN2I3ZGJlZjBkNGI0YTlkMGQxYzdkYmUzMmU5YTY3NzpoOkY>. 
>> That means you cannot make any changes without invoking a new 7-days 
>> discussion period. Unfortunately, since you started the voting period 
>> there is nothing you can do but either let the ballot fail or 
>> withdraw it. Withdrawing a ballot is a new addition to the Bylaws in 
>> section 2.3 (4)
>>
>>     A proposer may withdraw a ballot containing defective language at
>>     any point during the voting period
>>
>>
>>
>> According to the Bylaws, the voting period ends 7 days after the 
>> voting starts, so that would be 7 days from TODAY (2023-10-19), which 
>> means that the voting ends at *2023-10-26*. The information at the 
>> bottom of the page should have been updated.
>>
>> I'd appreciate a confirmation from at least another person that is 
>> familiar with the Bylaws about whether my interpretation is accurate 
>> or not.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dimitris.
>>
>>
>>
>>     **
>>
>>     *Purpose of Ballot SC-66 v2*
>>
>>     This ballot proposes updates to the Baseline Requirements for the
>>     Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates related
>>     to the issues and typos that have happened due to the different
>>     updates of the document. No new normative requirements are
>>     introduced by the changes in this ballot.
>>
>>     Notes:
>>
>>      1. The majority of these issues have been documented in GitHub
>>         and have therefore labeled as cleanup and have been the basis
>>         for this update.
>>      2. Some have been provided by emails to the CABF lists and
>>         included in this reviewed version because were typos.
>>
>>     The following motion has been proposed by Iñigo Barreira of
>>     Sectigo. And, endorsed by Aaron Gable of Let´s Encryptand Clint
>>     Wilson of Apple.
>>
>>     *— Motion Begins —*
>>
>>     This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance
>>     and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” (“Baseline
>>     Requirements”), based on Version 2.0.1.
>>
>>     MODIFY the Baseline Requirements as specified in the following
>>     Redline:
>>
>>     https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264
>>     <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjAwZTI6ZmMzNzJjNWNiNmIwMzhkYmQ3NjFmMjgzNmQ2NTNhZmExZGI3YzZkOWFjOTYwNDQ5MGNkZDg2MjgxNWU5YmI2ODpoOkY>.
>>
>>     *— Motion Ends —*
>>
>>     This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure
>>     for approval of this ballot is as follows:
>>
>>     *Discussion (7+ days)*
>>
>>     •                     Start time: 10-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
>>
>>     •                     End time: 17-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
>>
>>     *Vote for approval (7 days)*
>>
>>     •                     Start time: 18-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
>>
>>     •                     End time: 25-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
>>
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