[Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2

Thu Oct 19 13:51:04 UTC 2023

I disagree.

> Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with associated new discussion period and voting period

This proposed change by Ryan is not changing the content not adding/removing anything. The issue is due to the artifacts and the generating of the PDF. If you review that proposal, you´ll see that is to harmonize the GitHub and PDF styles.

De: Corey Bonnell <Corey.Bonnell at digicert.com> 
Enviado el: jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 14:21
Para: Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr>
Asunto: RE: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2

Hi Inigo,

Comments inline.

> the chair of the CWG can perform some changes that do not change anything without requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s nothing to vote/discuss there

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with associated new discussion period and voting period. This should be clear from Bylaws 2.4 (8), as modifying arbitrary formatting does not fall within the allowed set of post-voting changes that can be performed by the (Vice) Chair.

> The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple issue with the format and it´s not changing the content nor anything else.

Some members do see the formatting of these documents as significant and will vote accordingly. See [1] for a recent example.

I agree with Dimitris: if this formatting change is to be included, then the ballot redline needs to be updated to incorporate the changes and the appropriate commits included in the immutable link. To do otherwise will likely result in confusion, as members will be unsure on what they’re voting on.

Thanks,

Corey

[1] https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000810.html

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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2

Well, my interpretation is that this is not changing the ballot itself, the redline still remains the same (there´s no change in that redline) and only if this ballot passes, at the end, and before publishing, and considered section 2.4, item 8, the chair of the CWG can perform some changes that do not change anything without requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s nothing to vote/discuss there. The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple issue with the format and it´s not changing the content nor anything else.

De: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr> > 
Enviado el: jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 13:26
Para: Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com <mailto:Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com> >; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org> >
Asunto: Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2

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On 19/10/2023 12:43 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:

The voting period for this ballot has started. Note that  <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/462___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OmQwZGU6ODNmNGU4MzdlYjdlM2NkMjk1MjZhZjYzMGE3N2FjNGQ3MjQzOWRkZDNmNjJhODRlMjIwMDViZGEwYjk1OTg3YzpoOkY> Inconsistent document formatting (Markdown vs PDF) · Issue #462 · cabforum/servercert (github.com) will be also included (it´s a format issue with no content change).

Inigo,

You started the voting period on a specific ballot that has a specific redline <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjJmNTc6MmVjNGFmY2RlODE2YjY5ZmMyODg2NGIxZjJlODMzNmFiN2I3ZGJlZjBkNGI0YTlkMGQxYzdkYmUzMmU5YTY3NzpoOkY> . That means you cannot make any changes without invoking a new 7-days discussion period. Unfortunately, since you started the voting period there is nothing you can do but either let the ballot fail or withdraw it. Withdrawing a ballot is a new addition to the Bylaws in section 2.3 (4)

A proposer may withdraw a ballot containing defective language at any point during the voting period 

According to the Bylaws, the voting period ends 7 days after the voting starts, so that would be 7 days from TODAY (2023-10-19), which means that the voting ends at 2023-10-26. The information at the bottom of the page should have been updated.

I'd appreciate a confirmation from at least another person that is familiar with the Bylaws about whether my interpretation is accurate or not.

Best regards,
Dimitris.

Purpose of Ballot SC-66 v2

This ballot proposes updates to the Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates related to the issues and typos that have happened due to the different updates of the document. No new normative requirements are introduced by the changes in this ballot.

Notes: 

1.	The majority of these issues have been documented in GitHub and have therefore labeled as cleanup and have been the basis for this update.
2.	Some have been provided by emails to the CABF lists and included in this reviewed version because were typos.

The following motion has been proposed by Iñigo Barreira of Sectigo. And, endorsed by Aaron Gable of Let´s Encrypt and Clint Wilson of Apple.

— Motion Begins —

This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” (“Baseline Requirements”), based on Version 2.0.1.

MODIFY the Baseline Requirements as specified in the following Redline: 

 <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjAwZTI6ZmMzNzJjNWNiNmIwMzhkYmQ3NjFmMjgzNmQ2NTNhZmExZGI3YzZkOWFjOTYwNDQ5MGNkZDg2MjgxNWU5YmI2ODpoOkY> https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264.

— Motion Ends —

This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:

Discussion (7+ days)

•                     Start time: 10-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC

•                     End time: 17-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC

Vote for approval (7 days)

•                     Start time: 18-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC

•                     End time: 25-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC

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