[Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL]-Re: SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
Jaime Hablutzel
jhablutz at WISEKEY.COM
Thu Oct 28 20:55:02 UTC 2021
It could be helpful to be a little bit more explicit on the fact that the required check is against the modulus only as it could avoid developers to implement this check against full public keys, which can lead to:
Some CAs could unknowingly embark themselves in the onerous task of generating the affected key pairs for each different public exponent, which is not really required.
Because of the higher amount of work required for supporting/maintaining the check in this way, some CAs might mistakenly omit checking some subscriber keys, e.g. they might have in their blocklists only the affected public keys with the public exponent set to 65537, even when they (unintentionally) support subscriber keys with other values for the public exponent.
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 03:02 Rob Stradling <rob at sectigo.com <mailto:rob at sectigo.com>> wrote:
> I think we can merely state that CAs must check for Debian weak keys for all RSA modulus lengths and exponents that they accept. Using a comparison of the modulus (or its hash) is essentially an implementation detail that we don’t need to explicitly mandate.
Thanks Corey. That makes sense.
From: Corey Bonnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 18:43
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL]-Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
> Hi Jaime. Ooh, you're right! The affected OpenSSL versions generate the same predictable moduli regardless of the public exponent value.
Yes, that’s great to know; thanks for pointing it out.
> What's the best way to capture all this in the ballot?
I think we can merely state that CAs must check for Debian weak keys for all RSA modulus lengths and exponents that they accept. Using a comparison of the modulus (or its hash) is essentially an implementation detail that we don’t need to explicitly mandate.
Thanks,
Corey
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]-Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
Hi Jaime. Ooh, you're right! The affected OpenSSL versions generate the same predictable moduli regardless of the public exponent value.
So yes, the optimal approach seems to be for CAs to use Debian weak key blocklists that are based on only the RSA modulus.
Corey's point applies if a CA chooses instead to implement a Debian weak key blocklist of (for example) SubjectPublicKeyInfos with public exponent 65537.
What's the best way to capture all this in the ballot?
From: Jaime Hablutzel
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]-Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
Hi, I might be (very) wrong here, but, shouldn’t blocklists be based only on the RSA modulus for different key sizes so validation implementations match the module only irrespective of whatever the public exponent is? or does the affected prime generation random source seed from the public exponent too?
On 22 Oct 2021, at 08:58, Rob Stradling via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>> wrote:
> ...my opinion is that we should introduce a new requirement such that CAs must check for Debian weak keys for all RSA modulus lengths and exponents that they accept. CAs are uniquely positioned to prevent the usage of these weak keys in the web PKI, so there is a security benefit in mandating such universal checks.
Hi Corey. Yeah, OK. You've persuaded me.
FWIW, my tools at https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_CVE-2D2008-2D0166&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=gZAtYdIgwjZ_F9FpjPlUFmh9SQve9WXOyzZCTDLhsH4&e=> only support 65537 at the moment. I guess I'll just have to wait and see if anyone asks for other public exponent values to be supported. 🙂
From: Corey Bonnell
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 19:48
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Subject: RE: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
Hi Rob,
Comments inline.
> AFAICT, in the affected Debian OpenSSL versions:
- "openssl req -newkey" had a hardcoded public exponent of 65537 (see https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/OpenSSL_0_9_8f/apps/req.c#L768 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_openssl_openssl_blob_OpenSSL-5F0-5F9-5F8f_apps_req.c-23L768&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=Vu5UXlPv7euZNJXCO15ReMLK_k5MyC3YaUliVn6DQcU&e=>).
- "openssl genrsa" defaulted to 65537, but provided a "-3" command-line option to use a public exponent of 3 instead (see https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/OpenSSL_0_9_8f/apps/genrsa.c <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_openssl_openssl_blob_OpenSSL-5F0-5F9-5F8f_apps_genrsa.c&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=MXbwubefERoNQfWd4kC0f7rxRrBl5yB1YZ2Y3OmPQoo&e=>).
As you point out, the command-line tooling bundled with OpenSSL 0,9.8 generally restricted the allowed exponent. However, the RSA key generation API allowed any exponent to be specified [1], so it is possible that a custom application passed exponent values besides 3 or 65537 to the RSA key generation function.
> Are there any good reasons to continue to permit the public exponent 3 ?
Judging from Censys, it appears that there are some publicly trusted certificates containing RSA keys with an exponent of 3, so there will presumably be a (minor) ecosystem impact if an exponent value of 3 were banned. That being said, exponents smaller than 65537 are outside the SHOULD-level exponent range since BR v1.1.3 (now in section 6.1.6) so perhaps it’s time to consider strengthening the SHOULD to a MUST. Probably such a change would be outside the scope of this ballot, though.
> The "openssl-vulnkey" tool that Debian used to ship only provided blocklists for keys with public exponents of 65537, so should we take that as a sign that CAs needn't perform a Debian weak key check when the public exponent is anything other than 65537 ?
While the precedent set by accepted remediations for incidents surrounding Debian weak keys has been for CAs to check the lists distributed in the openssl-blacklist Debian package, my opinion is that we should introduce a new requirement such that CAs must check for Debian weak keys for all RSA modulus lengths and exponents that they accept. CAs are uniquely positioned to prevent the usage of these weak keys in the web PKI, so there is a security benefit in mandating such universal checks.
Thanks,
Corey
[1] https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/OpenSSL_0_9_8f/crypto/rsa/rsa_gen.c#L78 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_openssl_openssl_blob_OpenSSL-5F0-5F9-5F8f_crypto_rsa_rsa-5Fgen.c-23L78&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=BZt9wGuErHLlj4PgA-Q_BWX-TmBE7NrL_QZcjyFCmLs&e=>
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
Hi Corey.
AFAICT, in the affected Debian OpenSSL versions:
- "openssl req -newkey" had a hardcoded public exponent of 65537 (see https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/OpenSSL_0_9_8f/apps/req.c#L768 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_openssl_openssl_blob_OpenSSL-5F0-5F9-5F8f_apps_req.c-23L768&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=Vu5UXlPv7euZNJXCO15ReMLK_k5MyC3YaUliVn6DQcU&e=>).
- "openssl genrsa" defaulted to 65537, but provided a "-3" command-line option to use a public exponent of 3 instead (see https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/OpenSSL_0_9_8f/apps/genrsa.c <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_openssl_openssl_blob_OpenSSL-5F0-5F9-5F8f_apps_genrsa.c&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=MXbwubefERoNQfWd4kC0f7rxRrBl5yB1YZ2Y3OmPQoo&e=>).
Are there any good reasons to continue to permit the public exponent 3 ?
The "openssl-vulnkey" tool that Debian used to ship only provided blocklists for keys with public exponents of 65537, so should we take that as a sign that CAs needn't perform a Debian weak key check when the public exponent is anything other than 65537 ?
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
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Hi Chris,
Apologies for the late reply. I noticed that the current proposed language has no guidance regarding RSA exponents. I think it would be useful to specify the expectations in this regard (whether the CA must check for weak keys for all key lengths and exponent combinations accepted/supported by the CA, or if checking weak key lists for only exponents 3 and 65537 is sufficient, etc.).
Thanks,
Corey
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
Thank you, Rob, and shall watch for that update. Meanwhile we are doing a final-final pass through our draft language for clarity and will send it early next week.
Chris K
Meanwhile, we've cycled our draft language through another review and have made IIRC only one or two minor edits for clarity (h/t BenW).
On 10/14/2021 9:49 AM, Rob Stradling wrote:
Today I rediscovered that I'd previously generated the RSA-8192 blocklists back in December 2009, and that they're still available at https://secure.sectigo.com/debian_weak_keys/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fsecure.sectigo.com-252Fdebian-5Fweak-5Fkeys-252F-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987811664-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DBknvgeWEnZ4pvV0PZHrsqaYgYgzgs4wad1Y3lmy1FWk-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=zzVoaIwOBGmJbK59JUU8ZW6-rpOfDM9LW4-DOaggMQQ&e=>. When I compared the old and new RSA-8192 blocklists, I found that ~0.8% of the "rnd" keys are different. It looks like, for reasons unknown, the "OpenSSL random file state" misbehaved occasionally over the 8 month run that ended recently.
I'll report back once I've regenerated and verified the problematic keys.
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
> BTW, in case it helps, I'm about half way through generating a full set of RSA-8192 Debian weak keys, which (when complete) I'll add to the https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987811664-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DhEYtpXP81bOYFl0bdDSzbg8zxn7gozJ2bXAzE3ZPLwQ-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=CZuzMqYs2tJKnr9PUCkV8xEr-EQLZuEnpygT0nUUNYQ&e=> repositories.
It took nearly 8 months (using just a single core of a fairly modest CPU), but it finally finished! Repositories updated.
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
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> iii) All RSA Public Key lengths supported by the CA up to and including 4096 bits;
> ...
> For Debian weak keys not covered above, the CA SHALL take actions to minimize the probability of certificate issuance.
Hi Christopher. What sort of "actions" are envisaged here? If a CA is processing a certificate request that contains a (for example) RSA-4088 public key (i.e., a key size not covered by an available Debian weak list), either the CA is going to issue the cert or they're not. What, concretely, does "minimize the probability of certificate issuance" actually mean?
Why not remove that "SHALL" sentence and change point iii to: "iii) All RSA Public Key lengths supported by the CA." ?
BTW, in case it helps, I'm about half way through generating a full set of RSA-8192 Debian weak keys, which (when complete) I'll add to the https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987821618-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3D34YXT3egxh7Xtc5k5gqy8idcbz9cgokAIz7o8Xwbh94-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=taqinDAOLRdSvETy9ob78hR_-KPxttqWcUNY_M86mTY&e=> repositories.
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
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Hello,
We deeply appreciate the useful discussion in this thread regarding this issue. We especially applaud the efforts of HARICA and Sectigo to independently generate more comprehensive lists of potentially affected Debian weak keys. As Rob Stradling observed through his crt.sh research (20210107, https://gist.github.com/robstradling/a5590b6a13218fe561dcb5d5c67932c5 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgist.github.com-252Frobstradling-252Fa5590b6a13218fe561dcb5d5c67932c5-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987821618-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DQXz4cOmARv-252Fg8-252FJF2NNEW2-252BSbjHJu1pv8X6vjLCx7io-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=EARvfcpJ6O_cJ0KioLW9U0gNj00u2-_njjGSKcTRtE8&e=>) of the five most utilized algorithm/key size populations, two are ECC (so not impacted by the Debian weak key issue) and three are RSA (2048, 4096, and 3072 bit length, in that order).
As of their most recent messages it appears that these two organizations have independently generated comprehensive lists identifying all RSA-2048 and -4096 bit length keys. (We understand RSA-3072 length keys are also available.) This offers the possibility that complete lists, if accepted as authoritative, could be accessed by the community to help prevent exploitation of this vulnerability.
It was also noted (by the representative from Let's Encrypt) that the ROCA vulnerability is presently identified through use of a tool supported externally. It was suggested that this resource be archived in a manner that ensures availability. (Our proposed language points to "https://github.com/crocs-muni/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fcrocs-2Dmuni-252F-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987831575-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DZQMlATqs-252BM7Vr3aIgjdrH06gaOrkgAPTbMkM4gcSROs-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=goTnhfES-zV16ifNjJ90Y_GUk39wftGwqMJiZKuw5aY&e=>roca or equivalent.")
We think our present ballot language (reproduced at the end of this message) provides appropriately focused guidance to CAs. If available, we'd certainly like to also see the HARICA/Sectigo lists (which CAs could use for the majority of Debian weak key use cases) captured somewhere in this ballot language. We are agnostic as to 1) where exactly these resources might be maintained and 2) where this ballot places directions to these resources - an annex to the current requirements, a separate CA/BF guidance document or within Sections 4.9.1.1/6.1.1.3 <http://4.9.1.1/6.1.1.3>.
Our intent is to ensure that 1) clear, accurate guidance on CA expectations is provided and 2) any resources assisting CAs in meeting these expectations are fully described, publicly available (somewhere) and with reliable links provided. The language below, we feel, meets the first requirement. We'd appreciate input on how to best meet the second. (Note that SSL.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssl.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=j-4qIhXvNMe9dfS8B8CWq0sSP-IOQRNSRmpjiPXIFZw&m=JnxStoHpP62BM2-15Vtby3qBQbCdQrSyCNPjVNH_IS8&s=SGnteTNpPS1X4ickvt5qbC2WDrpValWXK42R9uvwO04&e=> would be happy to support the community by hosting any of these as publicly accessible resources, whether solo or alongside other organizations.)
Chris K
SSL.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssl.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=j-4qIhXvNMe9dfS8B8CWq0sSP-IOQRNSRmpjiPXIFZw&m=JnxStoHpP62BM2-15Vtby3qBQbCdQrSyCNPjVNH_IS8&s=SGnteTNpPS1X4ickvt5qbC2WDrpValWXK42R9uvwO04&e=>
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--- Motion Begins ---
This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” as follows, based on Version 1.7.4:
Proposed ballot language:
4.9.1.1 Reasons for Revoking a Subscriber Certificate
Replace:
4. The CA is made aware of a demonstrated or proven method that can easily compute the Subscriber’s Private Key based on the Public Key in the Certificate (such as a Debian weak key, see https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwiki.debian.org-252FSSLkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987831575-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DpXeTXYoS8oYMQteThIRSdhISQokGG4nL-252BHSymGxAwPg-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=ZtytHt-KbbrRxo2oN_oCa2ihhQEPcupL52pOSa3xs9U&e=>)
With:
4. The CA is made aware of a demonstrated or proven method that can easily compute the Subscriber’s Private Key (such as those identified in 6.1.1.3(4)).
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6.1.1.3. Subscriber Key Pair Generation
Replace:
The CA SHALL reject a certificate request if one or more of the following conditions are met:
1. The Key Pair does not meet the requirements set forth in Section 6.1.5 and/or Section 6.1.6;
2. There is clear evidence that the specific method used to generate the Private Key was flawed;
3. The CA is aware of a demonstrated or proven method that exposes the Applicant's Private Key to compromise;
4. The CA has previously been made aware that the Applicant's Private Key has suffered a Key Compromise, such as through the provisions of Section 4.9.1.1;
5. The CA is aware of a demonstrated or proven method to easily compute the Applicant's Private Key based on the Public Key (such as a Debian weak key, see https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwiki.debian.org-252FSSLkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987831575-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DpXeTXYoS8oYMQteThIRSdhISQokGG4nL-252BHSymGxAwPg-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=ZtytHt-KbbrRxo2oN_oCa2ihhQEPcupL52pOSa3xs9U&e=>).
With:
The CA SHALL reject a certificate request if one or more of the following occurs:
1) The requested Public Key does not meet the requirements set forth in Sections 6.1.5 and/or 6.1.6;
2) The CA is aware of a demonstrated or proven method that exposes the Subscriber's Private Key to compromise;
3) The CA has previously been made aware that the Subscriber's Private Key has suffered a Key Compromise, such as through the provisions of Section 4.9.1.1;
4) The Public Key corresponds to an industry demonstrated weak Private Key, in particular:
a) In the case of ROCA vulnerability, the CA SHALL reject keys identified by the tools available at https://github.com/crocs-muni/roca <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fcrocs-2Dmuni-252Froca-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987841531-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DpVWa4-252Fu9mO6gfEAN2FHOMx83i-252FGSUcG-252BfzyDoHm1xKs-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=6j9rei_kmtaqpNr-93i7Jp1C7q5YNaJtJJ2z3Rn5FzE&e=> or equivalent.
b) In the case of Debian weak keys (https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwiki.debian.org-252FSSLkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987841531-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DfJSWwzvoeepBzwSexsg-252FFSKZKusdynxlt-252F1gItUiii0-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=7VJmjfUviaQVQ3rIxm7xE-dFcYL1TLUk2yNWY4hFx0U&e=>), the CA SHALL reject at least keys generated by the flawed OpenSSL version with the combination of the following parameters:
i) Big-endian 32-bit, little-endian 32-bit, and little-endian 64-bit architecture;
ii) Process ID of 0 to 32767, inclusive;
iii) All RSA Public Key lengths supported by the CA up to and including 4096 bits;
iv) rnd, nornd, and noreadrnd OpenSSL random file state.
For Debian weak keys not covered above, the CA SHALL take actions to minimize the probability of certificate issuance.
--- Motion Ends ---
On 1/18/2021 3:34 PM, Rob Stradling wrote:
> I'm mid-way through generating the RSA-4096 keys.
The RSA-4096 private keys and blocklists are now in https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166/private_keys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-252Fprivate-5Fkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987851488-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3Dt2XnHbMAXRIJHGzz-252BLi4gptSfi957l-252Fkz5fcaUc4PxA-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=iSbz-XCr-uFk_7Y8gJ0DA2ii9QYdRcBI5WcrvGeE55Q&e=> andhttps://github.com/CVE-2008-0166/openssl_blocklists <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-252Fopenssl-5Fblocklists-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987851488-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3D-252B-252Fmznq3F0GbWZjrE1G08DqSXBOxYTLtIF1l7pLatjoU-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=-tHYY-qeEG6kULte0FSWXNcttvh6n3BUnjh8PTDXi-c&e=>.
The RSA-2048 and RSA-4096 private keys in https://github.com/HARICA-official/debian-weak-keys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FHARICA-2Dofficial-252Fdebian-2Dweak-2Dkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987861437-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DFb5kG1Ob413KX19BP-252B37xpIahSiKi2FIZ5NfuZ-252FkuPU-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=_lfhBqavAtNpmBCedDWRhR5JY_praNbAngJx0m7i14E&e=> (which only covers 2 of the 3 word size / endianness combinations) are identical to the equivalents in https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166/private_keys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-252Fprivate-5Fkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987861437-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DoDDkulWGG70BklQLLMR0GsX-252FRIy20y-252FKtw9gGijGyhE-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=yAkqXLZo2IvXlCZvKvbFvweWp1zicZGNjpQ-S6gHQbY&e=>.
From: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr> <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>
Sent: 14 January 2021 18:39
To: Rob Stradling <rob at sectigo.com> <mailto:rob at sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>; Jacob Hoffman-Andrews <jsha at letsencrypt.org> <mailto:jsha at letsencrypt.org>; Christopher Kemmerer <chris at ssl.com> <mailto:chris at ssl.com>
Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
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On 14/1/2021 12:30 π.μ., Rob Stradling wrote:
Thanks Dmitris.
So far I've generated the RSA-2048 and RSA-3072 keys using https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166/key_generator <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-252Fkey-5Fgenerator-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987871399-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3D4kKGwenlWGRmGjkIWofWWWnykgyNAgmJj1knMJ9PFz4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=NAsWm8iu6UPJcqogRr7ZHylAINg9o87jFWyCbM_GxlE&e=> and uploaded them to https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166/private_keys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-252Fprivate-5Fkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987871399-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DDS2Fb707J-252BWD3UlBsOMtUWBl-252B5JkoU3S9twMJn8eSps-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=wLahGmkoShePVAd3354Vg-KIUIG_bUnevY1465It5Jk&e=>, and I've generated the corresponding blocklists and uploaded them to https://github.com/CVE-2008-0166/openssl_blocklists <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FCVE-2D2008-2D0166-252Fopenssl-5Fblocklists-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987871399-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DJtYLdAD8pwpvivoIfMXAeEjofoK0FqoijWEb4Sc9OV4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=NrxlbUT4xWxoifiZhepNwMg-9wFwdQwvVmKKxNVBuk8&e=>. My RSA-2048 blocklists exactly match the ones from the original Debian openssl-blacklist package.
I'm mid-way through generating the RSA-4096 keys.
Let's compare keys when we're both done. 🙂
Certainly :-) the RSA-2048 keys already match the fingerprints from the openssl-blacklist Debian package.
We did this work several months ago but never found the time to make it publicly available. We managed to break down the big task and run jobs in parallel which made things a bit more interesting.
It's nice we did this independently, I guess it increases the accuracy level of the resulted keys :)
Cheers,
Dimitris.
From: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr> <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>
Sent: 13 January 2021 21:49
To: Rob Stradling <rob at sectigo.com> <mailto:rob at sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>; Jacob Hoffman-Andrews <jsha at letsencrypt.org> <mailto:jsha at letsencrypt.org>; Christopher Kemmerer <chris at ssl.com> <mailto:chris at ssl.com>
Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SCXX Ballot proposal: Debian Weak keys
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Dear friends,
HARICA has generated the weak keys (RSA 2048 and 4096 bit lengths) from the vulnerable openssl package. We will generate 3072 bit keys as well and add them soon. The methodology is described in the following GitHub repo along with the produced keys:
https://github.com/HARICA-official/debian-weak-keys <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252FHARICA-2Dofficial-252Fdebian-2Dweak-2Dkeys-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987881346-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3D61WsoKxsDa5-252FjBab75Y-252FZG4PbcoE3RVkCWg-252BsfY2Aww-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=dWL9G_dD07M3-kQ4faHXjdMzoGF9wF5hEGlN2IrPwiA&e=>
Please review and let us know if you spot any issues or problems with our approach and methodology.
As always, please use other people's work at your own risk.
Dimitris.
On 7/1/2021 2:25 μ.μ., Rob Stradling via Servercert-wg wrote:
I've used crt.sh to produce a survey of key algorithms/sizes in currently unexpired, publicly-trusted server certificates:
https://gist.github.com/robstradling/a5590b6a13218fe561dcb5d5c67932c5 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgist.github.com-252Frobstradling-252Fa5590b6a13218fe561dcb5d5c67932c5-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987881346-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3D4qveGxYahVQ6FbihVosw69bsGUs7hG1ytgI6YLxqYbY-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=0JiuTeERFFPZRGiB5foBRJZ5kJjHk51DCLjQbBVwSxc&e=>
The four most popular choices are no surprise: RSA-2048, P-256, RSA-4096, and P-384. openssl-blacklist covers RSA-2048 and RSA-4096, and ECC keys are implicitly not Debian weak keys.
Fifth most popular is RSA-3072, with over 3 million unexpired, publicly-trusted server certs. openssl-blacklist doesn't cover RSA-3072, but ISTM that this is a key size that CAs will want to permit.
Some of the lesser used key sizes are mostly likely due to Subscriber typos (e.g., 2408 and 3048 were probably intended to be 2048, 4048 was probably intended to be either 2048 or 4096, etc), but some of the other ones look like they were deliberately chosen (e.g., 2432 is 2048+384). Is it worth generating Debian weak keys/blocklists for any of these key sizes?
https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP.800-57pt1r5.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fnvlpubs.nist.gov-252Fnistpubs-252FSpecialPublications-252FNIST.SP.800-2D57pt1r5.pdf-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987891313-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DrG1bgcAgL7P3RtCaCJ0cZTcYPkcUhTlsR4J6ulGFgso-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=zehaaELHzHzxLDM3dCTeAYaSLMufH4svdbHT74RDcq0&e=> (Table 4, p59) permits RSA-2048 until the end of 2030, whereas https://www.sogis.eu/documents/cc/crypto/SOGIS-Agreed-Cryptographic-Mechanisms-1.2.pd f <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.sogis.eu-252Fdocuments-252Fcc-252Fcrypto-252FSOGIS-2DAgreed-2DCryptographic-2DMechanisms-2D1.2.pdf-26data-3D04-257C01-257Crob-2540sectigo.com-257Ca8c9d97cd4114ebf508708d9930d343d-257C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7-257C0-257C0-257C637702508987891313-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DgCbutfTj362g-252BHqbrbYgcpm5etqbhCvUFpp8E2UYinE-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=fMDCutmeJbXlHHWIZLMy2UAZB79bm_AVGAAADmUsNAE&s=2FZ19CpL6_a-dWd0zh1d-4HiMpn4pWyZ0lsH3f1k140&e=> permits RSA-2048 only until the end of 2025. It is of course possible that quantum computing will render RSA obsolete before Subscribers need to think about which larger RSA keysize they want to migrate to; however, it seems prudent to also plan for the possibility that RSA will survive and that some other RSA keysize(s) might become popular.
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