[Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
dzacharo at harica.gr
Tue Dec 3 01:29:24 MST 2019
Hi Cynthia,
I think your comment is not so much related to the issue at hand. The
language for JoI-Locality is the one that needs to be clarified. We are
very clear about the other cases.
My original interpretation was that no matter what, if an organization
is registered at the locality level, the subjectDN MUST always include
/subject:jurisdictionLocalityName /AND
/subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/ AND the
/subject:jurisdictionCountryName./After reading it more carefully I came
to the conclusion that there is a different interpretation which was
confirmed by Jeremy.
Now, all we need to do is confirm that this was the original intent and
if so, we may be able to improve this part of the EVG to make it more
clear that it is allowed to include
/subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/without a
/subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/**entry, for the case where the
Country doesn't offer registration at the State or Province level.
Is there anyone that objects to this interpretation?
Thank you,
Dimitris.
On 2019-12-02 7:58 μ.μ., Cynthia Revström wrote:
> Hello,
> My interpretation would be that for example if we take Apple as an
> example, it would be jC=US, jST=California but no locality.
> I understand that this will get very complicated, as for example, in
> Sweden, limited companies are at a national level while for example
> sole proprietorships are at a county level.
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:50 PM Jeremy Rowley via Servercert-wg
> <servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>> wrote:
>
> I disagree as that's not what the language says. It says to
> include the state field if the state regulates registration of the
> locality. I can't speak to Toronto and how it incorporates
> entities (if it does), but I think the answer depends heavily on
> the locality, the type of entity, and how registration occurs.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 9.2.4
>
> I guess I am saying that you must include the jurisdiction level
> where the organization was registered. If the organization was
> registered at the locality level, then the certificate must
> include jL and jC. If the country has no states or provinces, then
> jST must not be used. If the country has states or provinces, then
> jST must be used, where jST is the state/province for jL.
>
> Let’s say that we have a company based in Toronto, Ontario,
> Canada; if it was registered in:
>
> 1. Canada, then the certificate must only have jC=CA
> 2. Ontario, then the certificate must only have jST=Ontario and
> jC=CA. It cannot have jL=Toronto as the company was not
> registered by a registrar at the locality level.
> 3. Toronto, then the certificate must have all 3, jL=Toronto,
> jST=Ontario and jC=CA. jST must be included to help identity
> where the locality is.
>
> Bruce
>
> *From:* Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr
> <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 2, 2019 12:26 PM
> *To:* Bruce Morton <Bruce.Morton at entrustdatacard.com
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> Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org
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> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL][Servercert-wg] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4
>
> On 2019-12-02 7:12 μ.μ., Bruce Morton wrote:
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> My interpretation is the following:
>
> 1. If the organization is registered at the country level,
> then the certificate must include the
> /subject:jurisdictionCountryName./
> 2. /If /the organization is /registered as the state/province
> level, /then the certificate must include the
> /subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/ and the
> /subject:jurisdictionCountryName./
> 3. /If /the organization is /registered at the locality
> level, /then the certificate must include the
> /subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/ and the
> /subject:jurisdictionCountryName;//and must include the
> //subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName, //only if the
> locality is in a state/province./
>
>
> Hi Bruce, thanks for your reply.
>
> The first two are quite clear.
>
> The following:
> "/and must include the //subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName,
> //only if the locality is in a state/province"/
>
> is not so clear to me. Perhaps you could elaborate with a couple
> of theoretical examples? I seems that the StateOrProvince is mixed
> with Locality in your description but I might have misunderstood.
>
>
> Dimitris.
>
>
>
> 4.
>
> //
>
> /Bruce./
>
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> Dear members,
>
> I would like to ask for a clarification/interpretation about
> section 9.2.4 of the EV Guidelines and please forgive me if
> this has been discussed in the past.
>
>
> 9.2.4. Subject Jurisdiction of Incorporation or
> Registration Field
>
> "*Contents:* These fields MUST NOT contain information that is
> not relevant to the level of the Incorporating Agency or
> Registration Agency. For example, the Jurisdiction of
> Incorporation for an Incorporating Agency or Jurisdiction of
> Registration for a Registration Agency that operates at the
> country level MUST include the country information but MUST
> NOT include the state or province or locality information.
> Similarly, the jurisdiction for the applicable Incorporating
> Agency or Registration Agency at the state or province level
> MUST include both country and state or province information,
> but MUST NOT include locality information. And, the
> jurisdiction for the applicable Incorporating Agency or
> Registration Agency at the locality level MUST include the
> country and state or province information, where the state or
> province regulates the registration of the entities at the
> locality level, as well as the locality information. Country
> information MUST be specified using the applicable ISO country
> code. State or province or locality information (where
> applicable) for the Subject's Jurisdiction of Incorporation or
> Registration MUST be specified using the full name of the
> applicable jurisdiction."
>
> Is it allowed to include a /subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/
> without providing a /subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/?
>
> The requirement says "And, the jurisdiction for the applicable
> Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency at the locality
> level MUST include the country and state or province
> information, where the state or province regulates the
> registration of the entities at the locality level, as well as
> the locality information."
>
> In one interpretation, if there is no "state or province" that
> regulates the registration of entities but this registration
> is done at the locality level, then the
> /subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/ can be omitted and
> only the /subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/ is included along
> with the /subject:jurisdictionCountryName/. Is this an
> accurate and valid interpretation?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Dimitris.
>
>
>
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