[Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4

[Paul Walsh]

If I may, why does “must not” appear anywhere? 

If there is information that is redundant for any reason, can harm be done if it’s populated? Perhaps there's information that some certificate consumers would like to use now, or in the future. 

If no harm can be done by including information that some people think is irrelevant, isn’t it best to allow that information if only to avoid confusion with complicated statements? :) 

Thanks,
- Paul


> On Dec 2, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Jeremy Rowley via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> wrote:
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> I disagree as that's not what the language says. It says to include the state field if the state regulates registration of the locality. I can't speak to Toronto and how it incorporates entities (if it does), but I think the answer depends heavily on the locality, the type of entity, and how registration occurs.
> From: Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces at cabforum.org> on behalf of Bruce Morton via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:45:32 AM
> To: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
> Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4
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> I guess I am saying that you must include the jurisdiction level where the organization was registered. If the organization was registered at the locality level, then the certificate must include jL and jC. If the country has no states or provinces, then jST must not be used. If the country has states or provinces, then jST must be used, where jST is the state/province for jL.
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> Let’s say that we have a company based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada; if it was registered in:
> Canada, then the certificate must only have jC=CA
> Ontario, then the certificate must only have jST=Ontario and jC=CA. It cannot have jL=Toronto as the company was not registered by a registrar at the locality level.
> Toronto, then the certificate must have all 3, jL=Toronto, jST=Ontario and jC=CA. jST must be included to help identity where the locality is.
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> Bruce
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> From: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr> 
> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:26 PM
> To: Bruce Morton <Bruce.Morton at entrustdatacard.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL][Servercert-wg] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4
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> On 2019-12-02 7:12 μ.μ., Bruce Morton wrote:
> Hi Dimitris,
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> My interpretation is the following:
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> If the organization is registered at the country level, then the certificate must include the subject:jurisdictionCountryName.
> If the organization is registered as the state/province level, then the certificate must include the subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName and the subject:jurisdictionCountryName.
> If the organization is registered at the locality level, then the certificate must include the subject:jurisdictionLocalityName and the subject:jurisdictionCountryName; and must include the subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName, only if the locality is in a state/province.
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> Hi Bruce, thanks for your reply.
> 
> The first two are quite clear.
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> The following:
> "and must include the subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName, only if the locality is in a state/province"
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> is not so clear to me. Perhaps you could elaborate with a couple of theoretical examples? I seems that the StateOrProvince is mixed with Locality in your description but I might have misunderstood.
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> 
> Dimitris.
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> Bruce.
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> Dear members,
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> I would like to ask for a clarification/interpretation about section 9.2.4 of the EV Guidelines and please forgive me if this has been discussed in the past.
> 9.2.4. Subject Jurisdiction of Incorporation or Registration Field
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> "Contents: These fields MUST NOT contain information that is not relevant to the level of the Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency. For example, the Jurisdiction of Incorporation for an Incorporating Agency or Jurisdiction of Registration for a Registration Agency that operates at the country level MUST include the country information but MUST NOT include the state or province or locality information. Similarly, the jurisdiction for the applicable Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency at the state or province level MUST include both country and state or province information, but MUST NOT include locality information. And, the jurisdiction for the applicable Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency at the locality level MUST include the country and state or province information, where the state or province regulates the registration of the entities at the locality level, as well as the locality information. Country information MUST be specified using the applicable ISO country code. State or province or locality information (where applicable) for the Subject's Jurisdiction of Incorporation or Registration MUST be specified using the full name of the applicable jurisdiction."
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> Is it allowed to include a subject:jurisdictionLocalityName without providing a subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName?
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> The requirement says "And, the jurisdiction for the applicable Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency at the locality level MUST include the country and state or province information, where the state or province regulates the registration of the entities at the locality level, as well as the locality information."
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> In one interpretation, if there is no "state or province" that regulates the registration of entities but this registration is done at the locality level, then the subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName can be omitted and only the subject:jurisdictionLocalityName is included along with the subject:jurisdictionCountryName. Is this an accurate and valid interpretation?
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> Thank you,
> Dimitris.
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