[Servercert-wg] Fwd: Re: [EXTERNAL] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4

Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) dzacharo at harica.gr
Mon Dec 2 22:35:17 MST 2019


This didn't go through the servercert-wg list. Cynthia now has posting 
rights after becoming an Interested Party.

Dimitris.


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Subject: 	Re: [Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4
Date: 	Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:58:53 +0100
From: 	Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re>
To: 	Jeremy Rowley <jeremy.rowley at digicert.com>, CA/B Forum Server 
Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
CC: 	Bruce Morton <Bruce.Morton at entrustdatacard.com>, Dimitris 
Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr>



Hello,
My interpretation would be that for example if we take Apple as an 
example, it would be jC=US, jST=California but no locality.
I understand that this will get very complicated, as for example, in 
Sweden, limited companies are at a national level while for example sole 
proprietorships are at a county level.
- Cynthia

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:50 PM Jeremy Rowley via Servercert-wg 
<servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>> wrote:

    I disagree as that's not what the language says. It says to include
    the state field if the state regulates registration of the locality.
    I can't speak to Toronto and how it incorporates entities (if it
    does), but I think the answer depends heavily on the locality, the
    type of entity, and how registration occurs.
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    *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4

    I guess I am saying that you must include the jurisdiction level
    where the organization was registered. If the organization was
    registered at the locality level, then the certificate must include
    jL and jC. If the country has no states or provinces, then jST must
    not be used. If the country has states or provinces, then jST must
    be used, where jST is the state/province for jL.

    Let’s say that we have a company based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada;
    if it was registered in:

     1. Canada, then the certificate must only have jC=CA
     2. Ontario, then the certificate must only have jST=Ontario and
        jC=CA. It cannot have jL=Toronto as the company was not
        registered by a registrar at the locality level.
     3. Toronto, then the certificate must have all 3, jL=Toronto,
        jST=Ontario and jC=CA. jST must be included to help identity
        where the locality is.

    Bruce

    *From:* Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr
    <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>>
    *Sent:* Monday, December 2, 2019 12:26 PM
    *To:* Bruce Morton <Bruce.Morton at entrustdatacard.com
    <mailto:Bruce.Morton at entrustdatacard.com>>; CA/B Forum Server
    Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org
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    *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL][Servercert-wg] Clarification about EVG 9.2.4

    On 2019-12-02 7:12 μ.μ., Bruce Morton wrote:

        Hi Dimitris,

        My interpretation is the following:

         1. If the organization is registered at the country level, then
            the certificate must include the
            /subject:jurisdictionCountryName./
         2. /If /the organization is /registered as the state/province
            level, /then the certificate must include the
            /subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/ and the
            /subject:jurisdictionCountryName./
         3. /If /the organization is /registered at the locality level,
            /then the certificate must include the
            /subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/ and the
            /subject:jurisdictionCountryName;//and must include the
            //subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName, //only if the
            locality is in a state/province./


    Hi Bruce, thanks for your reply.

    The first two are quite clear.

    The following:
    "/and must include the //subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName,
    //only if the locality is in a state/province"/

    is not so clear to me. Perhaps you could elaborate with a couple of
    theoretical examples? I seems that the StateOrProvince is mixed with
    Locality in your description but I might have misunderstood.


    Dimitris.



         4.

        //

        /Bruce./

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        Dear members,

        I would like to ask for a clarification/interpretation about
        section 9.2.4 of the EV Guidelines and please forgive me if this
        has been discussed in the past.


              9.2.4. Subject Jurisdiction of Incorporation or
              Registration Field

        "*Contents:* These fields MUST NOT contain information that is
        not relevant to the level of the Incorporating Agency or
        Registration Agency. For example, the Jurisdiction of
        Incorporation for an Incorporating Agency or Jurisdiction of
        Registration for a Registration Agency that operates at the
        country level MUST include the country information but MUST NOT
        include the state or province or locality information.
        Similarly, the jurisdiction for the applicable Incorporating
        Agency or Registration Agency at the state or province level
        MUST include both country and state or province information, but
        MUST NOT include locality information. And, the jurisdiction for
        the applicable Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency at
        the locality level MUST include the country and state or
        province information, where the state or province regulates the
        registration of the entities at the locality level, as well as
        the locality information. Country information MUST be specified
        using the applicable ISO country code. State or province or
        locality information (where applicable) for the Subject's
        Jurisdiction of Incorporation or Registration MUST be specified
        using the full name of the applicable jurisdiction."

        Is it allowed to include a /subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/
        without providing a /subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/?

        The requirement says "And, the jurisdiction for the applicable
        Incorporating Agency or Registration Agency at the locality
        level MUST include the country and state or province
        information, where the state or province regulates the
        registration of the entities at the locality level, as well as
        the locality information."

        In one interpretation, if there is no "state or province" that
        regulates the registration of entities but this registration is
        done at the locality level, then the
        /subject:jurisdictionStateOrProvinceName/ can be omitted and
        only the /subject:jurisdictionLocalityName/ is included along
        with the /subject:jurisdictionCountryName/. Is this an accurate
        and valid interpretation?


        Thank you,
        Dimitris.




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