[cabfpub] [Cscwg-public] Let's Oppose

Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) dzacharo at harica.gr
Fri Jun 12 18:23:05 UTC 2020

On 2020-06-12 8:44 μ.μ., Tony Rutkowski wrote:
> Hi Dimitris,
> I believe you are bound by law to consider this as it involves 
> anticompetive conduct. You minimally have a duty to inform the membership.

This is a public list, which includes all Members by default, so by 
sending your email the Membership became informed :-)

The officer duties are described in our Bylaws. As much as I hate 
calling out these things, I must remind you that our Code of Conduct 
specifically mentions about insulting remarks. I will not go into the 
essence of your message about "Let's Oppose" but you are making 
demeaning comments about a CA/B Forum Member and this is a behavior not 
in line with our CoC.


> --Tony R
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> *Subject:* Re: [Cscwg-public] Let's Oppose
> Hi Tony,
> Let's not.
> The CA/Browser Forum is not the proper venue to discuss such legal 
> debates. The Forums is more focused on discussing technical standards 
> and policy, not debates between legal entities.
> Thanks for understanding.
> Best regards,
> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
> CA/B Forum Chair
> On 2020-06-12 6:24 μ.μ., Tony Rutkowski wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/10/lets_encrypt_trademark_complaints/
>> This is preposterous and an abuse of the trademark and standards systems.
>> If you use the US Patent and Trademark Office online system, you can 
>> see the full history.
>> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4810:tltw3o.1.1
>> Click on Basic Word Mark Search and enter “Let’s Encrypt”
>> This was originally Comodo’s mark filed on 16 Oct 2015 and abandoned 
>> 25 June 2016.  Thirteen days later, ISRG as a non-profit 501.c.3 
>> filed for the mark.
>> A considerable number of entities have used the term in the 
>> marketplace for all kinds of purposes as a political movement.  
>> Google Search finds about 6,840,00 of them going back almost 20 years.
>> It is found 447 times in the IETF alone for advancing all manner of 
>> activities without ever disclosing a trademark assertion.
>> For the ISRG to threaten some other company for using the term “Let’s 
>> Encrypt” with the arguments at the end of The Register article is 
>> preposterous
>> Lastly and most significantly, the actual Let’s Encrypt word mark – 
>> Serial Number 88828174 was just filed on 10 March 2020, asserting 
>> first use in commerce on 24 Feb 2020, and is just being published for 
>> Opposition on 7 July 2020.
>> It is time to LET’S OPPOSE
>> --tony
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