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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-06-12 8:44 μ.μ., Tony Rutkowski
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Hi Dimitris,</div>
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I believe you are bound by law to consider this as it involves
anticompetive conduct. You minimally have a duty to inform the
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This is a public list, which includes all Members by default, so by
sending your email the Membership became informed :-)<br>
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The officer duties are described in our Bylaws. As much as I hate
calling out these things, I must remind you that our <a
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href="https://secureservercdn.net/45.40.150.47/273.6a1.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-Bylaws-v2.3.pdf">Code
of Conduct</a> specifically mentions about insulting remarks. I
will not go into the essence of your message about "Let's Oppose"
but you are making demeaning comments about a CA/B Forum Member and
this is a behavior not in line with our CoC.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 12, 2020 1:01:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tony Rutkowski <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony@yaana.com"><tony@yaana.com></a>; Ben Wilson
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Let's Oppose</font>
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Hi Tony,<br>
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Let's not.<br>
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The CA/Browser Forum is not the proper venue to discuss such
legal debates. The Forums is more focused on discussing
technical standards and policy, not debates between legal
entities.<br>
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Thanks for understanding.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Dimitris Zacharopoulos<br>
CA/B Forum Chair<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-06-12 6:24 μ.μ., Tony
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/10/lets_encrypt_trademark_complaints/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/10/lets_encrypt_trademark_complaints/</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is preposterous and an abuse of
the trademark and standards systems.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you use the US Patent and Trademark
Office online system, you can see the full history.<br>
<a
href="http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4810:tltw3o.1.1"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4810:tltw3o.1.1</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Click on Basic Word Mark Search and
enter “Let’s Encrypt”</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This was originally Comodo’s mark filed
on 16 Oct 2015 and abandoned 25 June 2016. Thirteen days
later, ISRG as a non-profit 501.c.3 filed for the mark.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A considerable number of entities have
used the term in the marketplace for all kinds of purposes
as a political movement. Google Search finds about
6,840,00 of them going back almost 20 years.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is found 447 times in the IETF alone
for advancing all manner of activities without ever
disclosing a trademark assertion.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the ISRG to threaten some other
company for using the term “Let’s Encrypt” with the
arguments at the end of The Register article is
preposterous</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lastly and most significantly, the
actual Let’s Encrypt word mark – Serial Number 88828174
was just filed on 10 March 2020, asserting first use in
commerce on 24 Feb 2020, and is just being published for
Opposition on 7 July 2020.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is time to LET’S OPPOSE</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--tony</p>
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