[cabf_governance] Draft email on new Server Certificate Working Group for editing

Kirk Hall Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com
Sat Jun 30 16:02:18 MST 2018

Ben - small pushback on your analysis.  You say that Entrust and DigiCert
will be the only members of the SCWG - are you basing that on the fact that
I'm named as initial Chair and you are named as initial Vice Chair?  If
that's your analysis - that only makes us officers in our personal capacity.
It does not make our companies members.


I think the SCWG membership status of our two companies is the same as that
for all other Forum Members - our companies don't become SCWG Members until
we sign the IPRA and declare intent to participate.  Our status (yours and
mine) as initial officers doesn't give our companies any head start on
membership or participation, in my opinion.


From: Ben Wilson [mailto:ben.wilson at digicert.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek at digicert.com>; Kirk Hall
<Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List
<govreform at cabforum.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [cabf_governance] Draft email on new Server
Certificate Working Group for editing


We need to have Server Certificate Working Group members or DigiCert and
Entrust will be the only CABF members on July 3 .  I think that we need to
send out an email telling people how they become members of the Working
Group.  The Bylaws state, "[they must] have formally declared their
participation in the CWG via the mechanism designated by the Forum prior to


But has the Forum designated the mechanism?


I was thinking members should be required to:


(1)    email the public list (or alternatively email the WG chair and
vice-chair) and formally declare their participation in the Server
Certificate Working Group;

(2)    subscribe to the mailing list -
https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg; and 

(3)    list their names here
https://cabforum.org/wiki/Server%20Certificate%20Working%20Group as follows:

The following have formally declared their participation in the Server
Certificate Working Group: 


Date of Declaration 

Date of Withdrawal 

Digicert, Inc. 

28 June 2018 



Thoughts?  Should I send this to the Management list and then follow up by
sending this to the Public list?





From: Tim Hollebeek 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:01 AM
To: Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com
<mailto:Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com> >; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG
List <govreform at cabforum.org <mailto:govreform at cabforum.org> >; Ben Wilson
<ben.wilson at digicert.com <mailto:ben.wilson at digicert.com> >
Subject: RE: [cabf_governance] Draft email on new Server Certificate Working
Group for editing


This is the point I raised at the end of the call.  I think we may need to
wait until July 3 to start transition actions, just so that it is clear that
the new bylaws are in effect.


However this does not prevent us from discussing what those actions are in
advance, so that we can proceed rapidly with them at the appropriate time.
This could include having a draft ballot of the election procedures that
could be submitted as SCWG Ballot 1.




I agree that the SCWG itself exists now, and you and I are Vice Chair and
Chair, but we have no enumerated powers to start anything until July 3 - so
maybe we rephrase the message that way, and again do nothing until July 3.

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