[Servercert-wg] [External Sender] Re: Re: Discussion Period Begins - Ballot SC-080 V1: "Sunsetting use of WHOIS to identify Domain Contacts"

[Adriano Santoni]

I agree if by "WHOIS-related" methods we mean any method based on the 
WHOIS protocol, either directly or via protocol gateways (e.g. web-based 
interfaces to WHOIS records). And I support the WHOIS deprecation 
initiative in this sense, since it has been shown that it may be unreliable.

However, where the domain contacts information is obtained, e.g. via the 
web, from an IANA-accredited domain registrar and is *not* based on 
WHIOS, then I think it can be used.
I assume everyone agrees as long as no one raises a hand to object.

Adriano

Il 17/09/2024 18:04, Pedro FUENTES ha scritto:
> Could it be that we all agree that WHOIS-related method are so tricky 
> that it deserves to be ditched and the only thing to requires 
> consensus is the deadline to apply?
>
> On my particular side, I personally consider that 1/1/2025 is a 
> reasonable date.
>
>> Le 17 sept. 2024 à 17:59, Adriano Santoni via Servercert-wg 
>> <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> a écrit :
>>
>> 
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> I was not referring to any WHOIS server, but rather to the 
>> information about domain "owners" that a registrar is supposed to 
>> collect and keep.
>>
>> So you believe that if a CA does the following, the domain contact 
>> email they can (sometimes) get is /unreliable/?
>>
>> 1) Consult the list of accredited domain registrars on the IANA 
>> website (https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars), thus 
>> finding confirmation of one particular registrar's website the CA was 
>> looking for.
>> 2) Access the website found in point 1 above and query the 
>> information available on a certain domain.
>> 3) At this point, sometimes (rarely) obtain, among other information, 
>> also the email address of a domain contact.
>>
>> Note that here I'm not talking about the WHOIS protocol nor WHOIS 
>> servers, but about the information that the domain registrar has the 
>> duty to collect and store (not necessarily publish) about the subject 
>> who registered a domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Adriano
>>
>>
>> Il 17/09/2024 17:13, Andrew Ayer ha scritto:
>>> [NOTICE: Pay attention - external email - Sender isagwa at andrewayer.name ]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:21:28 +0000
>>> Adriano Santoni via Servercert-wg<servercert-wg at cabforum.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe that the /interactive
>>>> /query of the domain registrar, directly on its website, can be
>>>> considered reliable to the extent that the CA is confident that it is in
>>>> fact consulting the "right" website.
>>> CAs were not consulting the right WHOIS server, despite a database of
>>> correct WHOIS servers existing (at least for gTLDs).  How would the problem
>>> be better when it comes to finding the "right" website?
>>>
>>> The gTLD registry agreement requires gTLD operators to update the IANA
>>> Rootzone Database when their WHOIS server changes; I don't see a
>>> similar requirement for keeping a database of website URLs up-to-date.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrew
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