[Servercert-wg] [External Sender] Discussion about single-purpose client authentication leaf certificates issued from a server TLS Issuing CA

Wed May 15 16:27:56 UTC 2024

Apologies if I’m replying to the wrong thread, but I wanted to comment on one point here.

> On May 14, 2024, at 8:54 AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> wrote:
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> On 14/5/2024 1:27 μ.μ., Adriano Santoni via Servercert-wg wrote:
>> I would agree to consider out-of-scope (of the BRs) a leaf certificate with EKU=clientAuth issued by a SubCA that has EKU={server,client}, provided of course the leaf certificate does not assert a BR TLS policy OID because this would be contradictory. 
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>> Besides, at least one widely used linter considers a certificate in-scope if it contains EKU=serverAuth and/or it contains a BR policy OID, which seems quite logical to me.
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>> Adriano
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> I think the policy OID is effectively completely ignored (along with anything in the subject of the certificate or other extensions) because the certificate is by design "incompatible for server TLS", so it is discarded by server TLS consumers which are conformant with RFC 5280.

I don’t think it’s entirely germane whether or not the policy OID is discarded by an application; the inclusion of the policy OID itself is a violation of RFC 5280 by the CA (if it’s included in a certificate or certificate chain where the leaf certificate being validated doesn’t comply with the policy referenced by the OID).

Thanks!
-Clint

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> It is misleading, but it is very difficult to add requirements around what a Certificate MUST NOT include (e.g. an existing TLS BR policy OID). I'd prefer to clarify that these are out-of-scope of the BRs as long as they are structured according to RFC 5280, and do not contain EKU=serverAuth, just like we did for the TC non-TLS subCA Profile.
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> Dimitris.
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>> Il 14/05/2024 11:33, Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Servercert-wg ha scritto:
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>>> NOTICE: Pay attention - external email - Sender is 0100018f76738e97-739d5cad-6797-4977-b997-150e338d5740-000000 at amazonses.com <mailto:0100018f76738e97-739d5cad-6797-4977-b997-150e338d5740-000000 at amazonses.com>
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>>> Dear Members, 
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>>> Following-up on an interesting public incident <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1886467#c11> , I would like to have a discussion about the scope of the TLS BRs as specified in the SCWG Charter and in the actual TLS BRs, especially when it comes to single-purpose "client authentication" certificates (i.e. leaf certificates that include the id-kp-clientAuth and DO NOT include the id-kp-serverAuth KeyPurposeId in their extKeyUsage extension).
>>> The TLS BRs describe the profiles of Subordinate CA Certificates issued from a Root that is in-scope for server TLS authentication, even for the case of Technically-Constrained non-TLS CA Certificates. There was a lot of discussion about whether this is permitted based on the SCWG Charter and there was consensus that Browsers want to make sure that there are some minimum expectations about the structure of such non-TLS CA certificates, especially the adherence to RFC 5280. I recall that there was also consensus that whatever is issued off of these TC non-TLS CAs is not in scope of the TLS BRs.
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>>> Does this seem like a fair statement about intent of the group on the expectations of TC non-TLS CAs and their leaf certificates?
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>>> Technically Constrained non-TLS Issuing CAs have a defined profile in the TLS BRs but IMO it cannot, and should not mandate the profile of non-TLS leaf certificates based on the CA/Browser Forum Server Certificate Working Group Charter <https://cabforum.org/working-groups/server/charter/> which states (emphasis mine):
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>>>> (a) To specify Baseline Requirements, Extended Validation Guidelines, and other acceptable practices for the issuance and management of TLS server certificates used for authenticating servers accessible through the Internet
>>> It gets more interesting when an Issuing CA that is technically capable of issuing server authentication TLS Certificates (by including the id-kp-serverAuth KeyPurposeId in its extKeyUsage extension), also includes the id-kp-clientAuth KeyPurposeId, thus being technically capable of issuing client authentication TLS Certificates.
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>>> Please recall that a few years back multi-purpose Issuing CAs existed, where the EKU was not present, and even if it was, it allowed the inclusion of various KeyPurposeIds.
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>>> Is it ok for such an Issuing CA to create a single-purpose client authentication TLS Certificate, one that is structured according to RFC 5280 (thus can be successfully parsed by Relying Party RFC 5280-conformant software), contains an extKeyUsage extension which contains the id-kp-clientAuth and DOES NOT include the id-kp-serverAuth KeyPurposeId?
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>>> My understanding is that these particular leaf certificates are allowed to be issued by a server TLS capable CA and they are considered out-of-scope of the BRs, in the sense that they are not TLS Server Certificates. The SCWG has accepted this "risk" with the client authentication certificates by allowing the co-existence of id-kp-clientAuth and id-kp-serverAuth KeyPurposeIds and the explicit dis-allowance of id-kp-emailProtection, id-kp-codeSigning, id-kp-timeStamping, anyExtendedKeyUsage in the CA Certificate profiles.
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>>> The first paragraph of the TLS BRs (section 1.1) states:
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>>>> .....for the issuance and management of Publicly-Trusted TLS Server Certificates;
>>> Provided these certificates follow RFC 5280 and can be properly parsed, Browsers should never consider such certificates server TLS certificates. They are by design "technically constrained". 
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>>> Thoughts? Disagreements? I know that Apple has already publicly shared an opinion <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1886467#c13> on this matter so I'm hoping to get more feedback from Members here :) 
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>>> Thanks, 
>>> Dimitris. 
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