[Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL]-Re: SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

Tue Sep 12 19:33:49 UTC 2023

Hey Pedro,

I would suggest that we keep this in a separate ballot. The RFC conversion is a large update. Adding actual changes to the requirements in there, may make it messy and makes it even harder to review. 

If you wish, I’m happy however to help you update the existing proposed change, to the new language format. (That is, if we want to do the RFC conversion before this ballot). 

Regards,

Martijn 

From: Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces at cabforum.org> on behalf of Pedro FUENTES via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
Date: Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 20:35
To: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek at digicert.com>, CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL]-Re: SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

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Should we try to integrate here the proposed change to regulate de use and disclosure of QGIS? 

I made the PR some time ago, but on the old version. 

BR/P 

Le 12 sept. 2023 à 20:18, Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> a écrit : 

This is perfect, thank you. I’ll run it through our internal ballot review process and get you feedback from our compliance team. 

-Tim 

From: Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com> 
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Subject: RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

Hi all, 

Attached you´ll find the EVG v1.8.0 with comments in all sections indicating where those sections, and the content, have been moved into the new EVG RFC3647 format. So, with this document, plus the redlined version, I hope you can have now a clearer view of the changes done. 
Let me know if you need anything else to clarify the new version. 

Regards 

De: Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com <mailto:Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com>> 
Enviado el: martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 17:06
Para: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek at digicert.com <mailto:tim.hollebeek at digicert.com>>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>>
Asunto: RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

Thanks Dimitris and Tim. 
I did something of that internally but didn´t reflect on the document, so will try to reproduce to have it clearer. 

OTOH, and as indicated in the PR, the whole section 11 has been placed in section 3.2 keeping the rest of the numbering. So, for example: 

EVG EVG3647 
11.1 3.2.1 
11.1.1 3.2.1.1 
11.1.2 3.2.1.2 
11.1.3 3.2.1.3 
11.2 3.2.2 
11.2.1 3.2.2.1 
….. …. 
11.13 3.2.13 
11.14 3.2.14 
11.14.1 3.2.14.1 
11.14.2 3.2.14.2 
11.14.3 3.2.14.3 

Hope this can clarify the main difficult that I found in the document, where to place it and how. 

Regards 

De: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek at digicert.com <mailto:tim.hollebeek at digicert.com>> 
Enviado el: martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 16:59
Para: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>>; Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com <mailto:Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com>>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>>
Asunto: RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

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Yes, exactly. I would like to see a list that shows that EVG-classic section 1.4 is now in EVG-3647 section 4.1. Then I can look at where the new text landed, see how the conversion was handled, we can all verify that nothing was lost or left out, etc. 

Without that, anyone attempting to review the document is forced to recreate the mapping just to figure out where everything went and that nothing was missed or put in the wrong place. Redlines are not sufficient when large amounts of text are moving around to different places. 

I’m saying this because from my spot-checking, the conversion appears to be pretty good, and I’d like to be able to do a final verification that it’s mostly correct so I can endorse. 

-Tim 

From: Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo at harica.gr <mailto:dzacharo at harica.gr>> 
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

Hi Inigo,

You can take some guidance from previous successful efforts to convert existing documents into RFC 3647 format. The latest attempt was in the Code Signing BRs conversion in May 2022. Check out the mapping document and the comments in the ballot discussion period <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fcscwg-public%2F2022-May%2F000795.html&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb42a9ce8f5a340889b0b08dbb3bf02f7%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638301405228226825%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=H%2FdOTHVsbO106EtopGR1%2B8btsnYUKF6DMGDody17Vlw%3D&reserved=0>.

For each existing section/paragraph, it would be nice to have a comment describing where that existing language will land in the converted document (destination). This will allow all existing text to be accounted for.

During this process, you might encounter duplicate or redundant text which needs to be flagged accordingly. You might also get into some uncertainty as to which RFC3647 section is a best fit for existing text that might require additional discussion. 

I hope this helps.

Dimitris. 
On 29/8/2023 12:42 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote: 

Hi Tim, 

See attached redlined and current versions. I just used what Martijn suggested yesterday but let me know if this is what you were looking for. 

Regards 

De: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek at digicert.com> <mailto:tim.hollebeek at digicert.com> 
Enviado el: lunes, 28 de agosto de 2023 19:49
Para: Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com> <mailto:Inigo.Barreira at sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org> <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org>
Asunto: RE: SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

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Thanks for doing this Inigo … I know re-organizations like this are a lot of work and fall very much in the category of “important but not fun”. So thanks for taking an initial stab at this. 

Is there a mapping that shows where all the original text ended up? I think that’s going to be essential for people to be able to review this. I did some spot checking, and your conversion looks pretty good, but I wasn’t able to do a more detailed review without a mapping. 

-Tim 

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Subject: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot 

Hello, 
The current Extended Validation Guidelines (EVGs) are written in a non-standardized format. For many years it has been discussed to convert this document into the RFC 3647 format and follow the standardized model for this type of documents. 

Given that this has been known for several years, I have prepared the following ballot text, which converts the EVGs into the RFC 3647 format: 
EVGs based on RFC3647 by barrini · Pull Request #440 · cabforum/servercert (github.com) <Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/440> 

I am currently seeking two endorsers as well as any feedback on the ballot content itself (wording, effective dates, etc.). 

Thanks, 

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