[Servercert-wg] Participation Proposal for Revised SCWG Charter

[Tim Hollebeek]

I have a meaningful comment.

I don’t want to ever have to discuss or judge whether someone’s comment is “meaningful” or not, and I don’t think incentivizing people to post more comments than they otherwise would is helpful.

I also think getting the chairs involved in any way in discussing whether a member representative did or did not have a medical condition during a particular time period is an extremely bad idea.

Given that the original issue was trying to determine whether a certificate consumer is in fact a legitimate player in the ecosystem or not, I would suggest that exploring metrics like market share might be far more useful.  Metrics like participation are rather intrusive and onerous, except to those who are trying to game them, and those trying to game such metrics will succeed with little or no effort.

-Tim

From: Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces at cabforum.org> On Behalf Of Roman Fischer via Servercert-wg
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 7:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] Participation Proposal for Revised SCWG Charter

Dear Ben,

Mandatory participation has in my experience never resulted in more or better discussions. People will dial into the telco and let it run in the background to “earn the credits”.

Also, what would happen after the 90 day suspension? Would the organization be removed as a CA/B member?

Rgds
Roman

From: Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces at cabforum.org<mailto:servercert-wg-bounces at cabforum.org>> On Behalf Of Ben Wilson via Servercert-wg
Sent: Freitag, 7. Juli 2023 21:59
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Subject: [Servercert-wg] Participation Proposal for Revised SCWG Charter

All,

Here is a draft participation proposal for the SCWG to consider and discuss for inclusion in a revised SCWG Charter.

#.  Participation Requirements to Maintain Voting Privileges

(a) Attendance.  The privilege to vote “Yes” or “No” on ballots is suspended for 90 days if a Voting Member fails to meet the following attendance requirement over any 365-day period:

  *   10% of SCWG meetings for Voting Members located in time zones offset by UTC +5 through UTC +12
  *   30% of SCWG meetings for Voting Members located in all other time zones
(b) Meaningful Comments.  Posting a Meaningful Comment is an alternative means of meeting the attendance requirement in subsection (a). A Voting Member can earn an attendance credit to make up for each missed meeting by posting a Meaningful Comment to the SCWG Public Mail List. Each Meaningful Comment is equal to attending one (1) meeting.

A Meaningful Comment is one that follows the Code of Conduct and provides relevant information to the SCWG, such as new information, an insight, suggestion, or perspective related to the Scope of the SCWG, or that proposes an improvement to the TLS Baseline Requirements or EV Guidelines. It can also be something that responds to or builds on the comments of others in a meaningful way, or that offers feedback, suggestions, or solutions to the issues or challenges raised by the topic of discussion.

A Meaningful Comment should be both relevant (within the Scope of the SCWG or related to the discussion that is taking place on the mailing list) and well-supported (clear reasons why the Voting Representative believes what they believe and supported by facts, data, or other information.)

(c) A Voting Member that has failed to meet the attendance requirement in subsection (a) above is considered an "Inactive Member".  Any Member who believes that any other Member is an Inactive Member may report that Member on the Forum's Management List by providing specific information about that Member's non-participation, and the SCWG Chair shall send written notice to the Inactive Member by email within seven (7) calendar days. The notice will include a reminder of the requirement to participate and inform the Inactive Member of the consequences of not participating.

(d) Suspension of Voting Privileges. The Inactive Member's privilege to vote “Yes” or “No” on any ballot shall be temporarily suspended for a period of 90 days from the date of the notice. During the suspension period, the Inactive Member may vote “Abstain” on ballots.

(e) Restoration of Voting Privilege. Voting privileges will be automatically restored to the Inactive Member upon attending three consecutive meetings. The restoration of voting privileges will be effective on the next ballot that enters the voting period after the Inactive Member meets the reactivation criteria.

(f) Exceptional Circumstances. In cases where an Inactive Member can demonstrate justifiable reasons for their inability to participate, such as medical conditions or other extenuating circumstances affecting their Voting Representative(s), the SCWG Chair may review and consider reinstating voting privileges on a case-by-case basis.

Thanks,

Ben
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