[Servercert-wg] Final Minutes for Server Certificate Working Group Teleconference - July 9, 2020

Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) dzacharo at harica.gr
Thu Jul 23 09:03:25 MST 2020

These are the Final Minutes of the Teleconference described in the 
subject of this message.

    Attendees (in alphabetical order)

Adam Clark (Visa), Andrea Holland (SecureTrust), Arno Fiedler (D-TRUST), 
Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Bruce Morton (Entrust Datacard), Chris McMillan 
(Visa), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell (SecureTrust), Chris 
Kemmerer (SSL.com), Curt Spann (Apple), Dean Coclin (Digicert), Dimitris 
Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Dre Aremeda 
(GoDaddy), Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft), Enrico Entschew (D-TRUST), 
Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Jeff Ward (CPA 
Canada/WebTrust), Jos Purvis (Cisco Systems), Karina Sirota (Microsoft), 
Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS), Mayur Manchanda (Visa), Michelle Coon 
(OATI), Mike Reilly (Microsoft), Niko Carpenter (SecureTrust), Patrick 
Nohe (GlobalSign), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Peter Miskovic 
(Disig), Rachel McPherson (TrustCor Systems), Rich Smith (Sectigo), 
Robin Alden (Sectigo), Ryan Sleevi (Google), Stephen Davidson 
(Digicert), Tim Hollebeek (Digicert), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software 
AS), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla).


      1. Roll Call

The Roll Call was taken.

      2. Read Antitrust Statement

The Antitrust Statement was read.

      3. Review Agenda

No changes to the agenda were noted.

      4. Approval of minutes from last teleconference

Minutes were approved

      5. Validation Subcommittee Update

  * Continuing work on certificate profiles
  * Wayne introduced a discussion on removal of validation method #10
    and replacing it with RFC 8737 TLS ALPN
  * Validation data reuse periods were discussed as well in the last
    meeting.  Trev started discussion on validation reuse issue to
    follow up from the f2f.  Excellent discussion in the minutes that
    members are encouraged to read

The draft minutes of that particular Subcommittee meeting are available 
at the following thread:

  * https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/validation/2020-July/001500.html

      6. NetSec Subcommittee Update

Neil was not on the SCWG call and Ben mentioned that there was no 
subcommittee call last week and the committee would be meeting after 
this CA/Browser meeting.

Ben recommended skipping any updates on NetSec this week.

      7. Ballot Status

        Ballots in Discussion Period

/SC28 (Logging and Log Retention)/

Discussion period was restarted

/SC31 (Browser Alignment)/

Voting will start later today.

Dean discussed that we have some CAs not aligned with the cert lifetime 
issue which was voted down with SC22.  He feels many CAs don’t want to 
vote on this ballot with the cert lifetime. How do we resolve this?  We 
could 1) remove this section on cert lifespans, 2) vote as is, or 3) try 
to satisfy CA concerns on the cert lifetime item.  Maybe have a 
statement that the CA disagrees with the one year certs but they want to 
support the rest of the ballot for the good of the industry.  This gives 
CAs a way to point customers to the discussion and voting comments as to 
each CA stance.    Ryan:  the majority of these type of proposals were 
already mentioned on the discussion in the public forum.  Google does 
not support adding this caveat.  CAs can point to their voting comments 
and any other comments made in their vote on the ballot.  We don’t need 
a special provision in the ballot.  Including such a provision would not 
be conducive for the good of the Forum and current processes.  Tim:  I 
appreciate trying to find common ground if possible.  DigiCert does not 
have a problem with the one year cert issue but most concerned with the 
effectiveness of the Forum and working together to find common ground 
and progress as a community going forward.  Dimitris:  there was a 
change in ID certs away from “should.”  Ryan:  V3 incorporated many 
suggestions including Corey’s excellent contributions.  V3 is in 
discussion now and was meant to address issues brought up in the 
discussion on V2.

*Ballots in Voting Period*

/SC30 (Disclosure of Registration/Incorporating Agency)/

*Ballots in Review Period*

        Draft Ballots under Consideration

Spring 2020 cleanup and clarifications (Ryan)

Current draft in GitHub needs to be updated for markdowns.  We’ll see 
where SC31 goes and that may determine where we go with this ballot.  
Also the PANDOC friendly markdown (SC26) discussion may have input into 
this ballot as well.

/Update to BR section
Been doing testing.  Took more time than anticipated.  We did get enough 
info to draft a good updated proposal.  The update will explain changes 
as a result from testing.  Good progress overall.

      8. Approval of minutes from F2F 50

  * Dean mentioned that he didn’t see Google's presentation uploaded
    yet.  Dimitris:  most info was captured in the minutes.  Ryan will
    provide the link to the deck for upload and minutes
  * Minutes are now approved

      9. Any Other Business

No other business was discussed.

      10. Next call

The next call will take place on July 23, 2020 at 11:00am Eastern Time.


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