[Servercert-wg] [cabfpub] voting for SCWG and Forum ballots

Tim Hollebeek tim.hollebeek at digicert.com
Wed Dec 19 07:22:24 MST 2018

My understanding is the same as Dimitris’.  It got sent to both lists because the Bylaws are unclear at this time which is the correct public list.  Hopefully we can get that fixed soon.




From: Public <public-bounces at cabforum.org> On Behalf Of Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:17 AM
To: CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg at cabforum.org>; public at cabforum.org
Subject: [cabfpub] voting for SCWG and Forum ballots



On 18/12/2018 3:57 μ.μ., Doug Beattie via Public wrote:



The rules for voting might have changed with the new Bylaws (or at least the updates could cause some confusion on where to vote because there are 2 mail lists now), so it’s worth a reminder on which list to post votes to.  The bylaws, section 2.3 says: All voting will take place via the Public Mail List


It’s my understanding that voting takes place ONLY on the public list (public at cabforum.org <mailto:public at cabforum.org> ), so any votes cast on a working group lists won’t be counted, is that correct?   Your email went to both the Public list and the servercert-wg list which might cause some confusion on which list to use.  “Kamu SM” sent their vote only to the servercert-wg list, so it won’t be counted.


Is the Public list “THE”  list to use for voting?  If so, then I think reminders about the ballot voting period should be sent only to that list so there isn’t any confusion when replying to vote.



Hi Doug,

Thanks for bringing up this issue. I also noticed this when I took over as Chair and brought it to the attention of the Vice-Chairs. The Server Certificate Working Group HAS a Public List of its own (servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org> ). The expectation is for discussions/voting and all activities specific to the Working Group to be conducted using the  <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org> "servercert-wg at cabforum.org" mailing list. We even have separate agendas, read the Antitrust statement separately, so voting should be no different.

The current practice, until this issue is clarified, is to count Member's votes for SCWG ballots when posted to any of the two lists (public at cabforum.org <mailto:public at cabforum.org> , servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org> ). For Forum ballots, only votes sent to the public at cabforum.org <mailto:public at cabforum.org>  list are counted.

An updated charter of the SCWG could make it explicit that SCWG ballot votes will only be counted when posted (and archived) at the servercert-wg at cabforum.org <mailto:servercert-wg at cabforum.org> . 

I am working on an updated version of the Bylaws and might add some language to clarify this also. I plan on sending it to the public list when it's ready. A Governance Subcommittee/WG/group/task-force/team/whatever would be a tremendous help here. I can send you a draft if you have time to review.


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