[cabfpub] [SUSPICIOUS] Final minutes of CA/B Forum call August 20, 2020

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Subject: [SUSPICIOUS] [cabfpub] Final minutes of CA/B Forum call August 20, 2020


Final Minutes of the CA/B Forum Meeting





Amanda Mendieta (Apple)

Andrea Holland (SecureTrust)

Andreas Hentschel (D-TRUST)

Ben Wilson (Mozilla)

Bruce Morton (Entrust Datacard)

Clint Wilson (Apple)

Corey Bonnell (SecureTrust)

Chris Kemmerer (SSL.com)

Curt Spann (Apple)

Daniela Hood (GoDaddy)

Dean Coclin (Digicert)

Doug Beattie (GlobalSign)

Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft)

Hazhar Ismail (MSC Trustgate)

Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign)

Joanna Fox (GoDaddy)

Jos Purvis (Cisco Systems)

Karina Sirota (Microsoft)

Kirk Hall (Entrust Datacard)

Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS)

Mayur Manchanda (Visa)

Michelle Coon (OATI)

Neil Dunbar (TrustCor Systems)

Niko Carpenter (SecureTrust)

Patrick Nohe (GlobalSign)

Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation)

Rae Ann Gonzales (Godaddy)

Robin Alden (Sectigo)

Ryan Sleevi (Google)

Stephen Davidson (Digicert)

Tim Callan (Sectigo)

Tim Hollebeek (Digicert)

Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software AS)

Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon)

Wayne Thayer (Mozilla)

Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority)


1. Roll Call


The Roll Call was taken.


2. Read Antitrust Statement


The Antitrust statement was read.


3. Review Agenda


Dimitris still being on vacation, Dean chaired this meeting.


The agenda was accepted with no modifications. 


4. Approval of minutes from last teleconference


The minutes were approved.


5. Forum Infrastructure Subcommittee update


Jos provided the update. The subcommittee met on the 12th August.


Password reminders have been removed from the list, following requests from

some participants that this be done. Jos asked to be notified if those

reminders are still being received. The team are still reviewing the various

lists to ensure this feature has been turned off.


Forum Infrastructure is now tracking GitHub IDs as part of the repository

management, in the Google Docs spreadsheet of membership. This is being done

to allow validation of pull requests against the repository. Jos noted that

not everyone's GitHub ID looks like their name, thus it is advantageous to be

able to recognize the identity of the pull requestor.


A password solution is now online, and the team is busy moving things like

saved list server and infrastructure passwords into that tool. The team will

work with the various committee chairs and vice chairs to ensure that they 

have access to the solution.


The subcommittee completed a review of the GitHub account and organization

and has removed a number of people who are no longer part of the CA/B Forum. 

Jos believes that they are down to members and interested parties now. 


Wayne renamed the "master" branch of the GitHub repository to "main", as part

of the ongoing industry trend to remove that kind of language. No difficulties

have been observed stemming from the rename, but Jos did say that if

parties are having any difficulties it might be useful to check if the renamed

branch could be the source of any problem.


The subcommittee also discussed a proposal to separate out the GitHub

repository to separate documents owned by each working group. At the moment,

all documents exist within a single repository, meaning that if a working

group needs changes to the documents for which they are responsible, that

change needs to be approved by the whole Github organization, and the

changes are against the same repository as the EV Guidelines, the Baseline

Requirements, or even the Bylaws.


The proposal is that there would be a repository for the Bylaws, one for

the Server Certificate Working Group which would cover the EV Guidelines and

the Baseline Requirements, one for the Code Signing Working Group, one for

the S/MIME Working Group, and another which would cover tools like document

templates and graphics to be shared amongst the others. This proposal is 

still under examination - there would need to be rules established for managing

the Github repositories, rules for merges, and rules for adding users to roles

within the repository and so on. This proposal is expected to integrate these

rules as some sort of ballot, but probably not as an update to the Bylaws, but

rather a separate document.


Jos reiterated his offer of GitHub training - he has had a few requests for

training, and if people want answers to questions like "What is Github?", "how

does Git work?", Jos is happy to put something together if those interested

would let him know.


6. Code Signing Working Group update


Dean provided the update.


The combined document has been voted in, which is currently in the IPR review

period. In the past call, the working group reviewed the many emails which have

been submitted in the last six months regarding additions, changes and corrections

to the document. 


The group has a list of items which are being maintained on the group Google

Drive. The link is in the Code Signing Working Group minutes, so anyone can

follow that link to see what is being worked on. Dean said that the link will

be in the minutes of the call from last Thursday, which should be out shortly.


This list shows the status and disposition of each of the items being considered,

as well as what the group thinks should be done to address each issue.


The group is about half way through the list; some of the items are relatively

easy to fix; some require more input and study. For such items requiring input

and study, the group will be inviting specialists and other experts to help

sort through the list. Dean stated that there has been good progress, with some

excellent participation by a diverse group covering a global audience, who

have worked on, and continue to work on, addressing those issues.


The next meeting of the Code Signing Working Group will be next Thursday [27

September 2020].


7. S/MIME Working Group update


Stephen provided the update.


The S/MIME Certificate Working Group met yesterday [Wednesday 19 August 2020].

This was the third meeting of the group.


Some new members have been added, including a certificate consumer, being an

email gateway provided called Zertificon. A Swiss university has asked to join

as an interested party. The group continues to look for interested members of

the community to join.


The group has started the discussion on S/MIME certificate profiles, similar

to the work performed in other working groups, going through the fields one by

one, looking at known, existing standards and requirements, such as the Mozilla

Root Store Policy, or the GMail policy, or the US Federal PKI Certificate Policy.


This is a useful exercise in rapidly converging on the common ground which

exists, but is leading to a more detailed discussion on what the use cases 

are for S/MIME, which may be more varied than individual providers in the

chain might have formed a view upon. Stephen said the group is making good

progress, and continues to invite parties with knowledge of relevant standards

and policies to submit them to the group; at the same time welcoming

additional participants to join. 


The next meeting of the S/MIME Certificate Working Group is Wednesday, 2 September



8. Elections update


Dean said that Dimitris had sent out an email on August 17, stating that the

nominations for Officers of the CA/B Forum is now open, and those nominations

remain open through the 23rd. Dean noted that this was interesting, as the wiki says that

the nominations are open through the 31st. He was unsure of which was correct.


Dimitris has asked people to post nominations on the wiki, which is different to

how it has been done in the past, which was to post to the mailing list. On the

wiki page there are nominations for the position of CA/B Forum Chair, Server

Certificate Working Group Chair and the Code Signing Working Group Chair.


At the moment, it shows Dean's name as candidate for CA/B Forum Chair. For

Server Certificate, Wayne Thayer has declined nomination, so an open spot remains

for that position. For Code Signing, Bruce Morton gets an automatic nomination

unless he declines. Those being the positions, Dean asks that people seriously

consider nominating themselves, other people at their companies or other candidates,

if they think those people would be suitable for these 

two year positions. Dean would like to see a good level of participation from

the global CA/B Forum membership. 


Tim (Hollebeek) added a quick observation that anyone nominating another should

seek the permission of that party to be nominated first. Tim noted that a couple

of years ago, someone got nominated by surprise, and this was an unfortunate

case which shouldn't be repeated. Dean concurred.


Dean said that only the three Chair positions are open now - the Vice Chair positions

open in October.


9. Any Other Business


There was no other business.


10. Adjourn


The meeting was adjourned and will reconvene on September 3, 2020 at 11:30 am Eastern Time

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