[cabfpub] Final Minutes of CA/Browser Forum call April 16, 2020

[Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)]

Here are the final minutes of the subject call:

 1. Roll Call: Arno Fiedler (D-TRUST), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Bruce
    Morton (Entrust Datacard), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell
    (SecureTrust), Chris Kemmerer (SSL.com), Daniela Hood (GoDaddy),
    Dean Coclin (Digicert), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Dustin Hollenback
    (Microsoft), Enrico Entschew (D-TRUST), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign),
    Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Joanna Fox (GoDaddy), Jos Purvis (Cisco
    Systems), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa Telecom), Michael Guenther
    (SwissSign), Michelle Coon (OATI), Mike Reilly (Microsoft), Neil
    Dunbar (TrustCor Systems), Niko Carpenter (SecureTrust), Patrick
    Nohe (GlobalSign), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Peter Miskovic
    (Disig), Rich Smith (Sectigo), Robin Alden (Sectigo), Ryan Sleevi
    (Google), Shelley Brewer (Digicert), Stephen Davidson (Quo Vadis),
    Thanos Vrachnos (SSL.com), Tim Callan (Sectigo), Tim Hollebeek
    (Digicert), Timo Schmitt (SwissSign), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera
    Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla),
    Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Taconis Lewis (US
    Federal PKI Management Authority), Andrea Holland (SecureTrust)
 2. Anti-Trust statement: read by Robin Alden
 3. Review agenda, assign minute taker: Dean will take minutes
 4. Approval of prior minutes: Minutes approved
 5. Forum Infrastructure subcommittee update: Jos gave the update. The
    group is in the process of migrating the website mailer. They are
    also debugging an email issue on the wiki which is preventing people
    from resetting their passwords. In the meantime, contact Jos if you
    need yours reset. Ballot SC 26 is in the review period. The group is
    reviewing our webex capabilities for our June F2F virtual meeting.
 6. Code Signing Working Group update: Dean gave the update. The group
    has received all the assignments from the members and has made edits
    to the combined BR document. The “parking lot” list of items for the
    next version has been accumulated and will be worked on in the
    coming months. The goal is to approve the combined BR document
    (Baseline and EV) first with minimal changes, followed by an
    incorporate of the parking lot items.
 7. S/MIME WG Charter: Tim gave the update. He is working on updating
    the recent draft with comments received from Ryan on github and is
    awaiting for an email from Clint with some additional commentary. If
    it’s not received by Friday afternoon, he will publish what he has.
    Ryan said that Google has previously presented several issues to be
    addressed but it seemed they were being ignored. He asked what the
    status was on those changes and if Tim planned to publicly engage on
    some of the concerns raised. Tim said there is a long standing
    gentlemen’s agreement in the forum that you get approval from
    endorsers before publicly posting updates to draft ballot language.
    That process is taking longer than expected. Ryan said that the
    engagement which he has offered has been ignored. Tim said he
    addressed the 1 email he received from Ryan and was unaware of
    others. He stated that he had been actively engaging with Ryan on
    his github branch a few weeks ago. There was no attempt to ignore
    Google’s comments. Tim said he would like to get the draft out for
    more public engagement, than what was being done on github. Ryan
    agreed that having more public discussion was the best way to get
    the ballot through. Clint stated he is coming forward with another
    version of the draft that encapsulated prior conversations and
    feedback. This should be done later today or tomorrow and will be
    sent to Tim.
 8. Changes to future F2F meeting schedule: Dean advised the group that
    the next F2F will be a virtual meeting. The meeting will be spread
    out over a 4-5 day period from 7-10am Pacific time to accommodate
    the global audience. If anyone has any topics they would like
    addressed, please email the chair. We have also moved some meetings
    for 2021. Now, Cisco will host in the Spring. Doug stated that the
    Fall meeting in Tokyo is being monitored and a decision will be made
    this summer.
 9. Any other business: Dean welcomed Ben Wilson back in the Forum,
    representing Mozilla. The ballot status was reviewed. Forum -13 had
    passed.

Forum-12 is looking for another endorser. Ryan stated that Google’s 
legal team has not yet finished their review and is not prepared to 
endorse at this time. He summarized the ballot as follows: (1) Clarify 
ambiguities about members, by defining the different voting member 
classes: root certificate, issuing certificate, CA and browser 
categories to help distinguish from Associate members and Interested 
parties. The intent is to clarify the bylaws so that when it states 
“members”, does it intend to reflect voting members, or others. “Full” 
members and “voting” members are the new terms in the ballot. (2) 
Formalize the notion of what areas can the chair or vice chair change 
within a document. A discussion took place in Greece as to whether the 
chair could make minor modifications that did not impact the language 
but were mostly for formatting. For example, adding the ballot effective 
date (which may not be known until after the voting period). (3) Voting 
Representatives: clarifying which representatives from companies are the 
ones authorized to vote. This would be tracked in our existing 
membership spreadsheet. Dimitris wanted to start the discussion period 
for this ballot by end of April.

10. Next call April 30^th . Meeting adjourned

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