[cabfpub] Ballot Forum-11: Creation of S/MIME Certificates Working Group
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
dzacharo at harica.gr
Thu Feb 6 06:08:42 UTC 2020
Tim, Wayne, Adriano,
Apple made a contribution and although HARICA disagrees with most of the
recommended changes I believe there should be some discussion around
that. Unfortunately, although I had started working on a response, I
didn't have time to complete it on time. I was hoping to see some
comments/responses from the proposer and endorsers before the voting
period began.
For what it's worth, here is a list of my comments (attached). My
biggest concern is the Certificate Consumer members that qualify based
on "mail transfer agent". I would certainly like some more information
about that before HARICA votes. Other than that, the charter looks good
to me.
Best regards,
Dimitris.
On 2020-02-06 12:45 π.μ., Wayne Thayer via Public wrote:
> Based on my recollection of the Guangzhou discussion, and supported by
> the minutes, the "path forward agreed to in Guangzhou" was that we
> would take this charter to a ballot without further attempts to
> resolve the issue of including identity in the charter's scope. There
> does not appear to be a path to consensus on this issue, despite the
> considerable amount of time spent discussing it. I'm unhappy with this
> approach, but as one of the endorsers, I don't see an alternative
> other than "take it to a vote" that gets this much-needed WG formed
> any time soon.
>
> - Wayne
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:22 PM Ryan Sleevi via Public
> <public at cabforum.org <mailto:public at cabforum.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Could you point to where that's reflected in the minutes? Our
> understanding here at Google is that Apple's proposed changes,
> which we support and would be unable to participate without
> incorporating, is that it accurately and correctly reflects the
> discussions in London [1], reiterated in Cupertino [2], and agreed
> upon in Thessaloniki [3]. It appears that, following that, the
> proposers of that ballot ignored that consensus and conclusion,
> and yet the discussion of Guangzhou [4] does not indicate there
> was consensus to do so.
>
> I'm hoping we've just overlooked something in the minutes, but
> Apple's proposed changes seem imminently reasonable, and a
> worthwhile path to drafting requirements that consuming software,
> such as mail clients (both native and Web), can use and consume as
> part of their root programs, as an alternative to their
> root-program-specific requirements.
>
> [1]
> https://cabforum.org/2018/06/06/minutes-for-ca-browser-forum-f2f-meeting-44-london-6-7-june-2018/#New-SMIME-Working-Group-Charter
> [2]
> https://cabforum.org/2019/05/03/minutes-for-ca-browser-forum-f2f-meeting-46-cupertino-12-14-march-2019/#Creation-of-additional-Working-Groups---Secure-Mail
> "Dean – We have a blank slate here and it seems the reluctance was
> to make it a narrow scope and then focus on either one aspect of
> SMIME. First task might be how to validate an email, and then
> focus on identity validation. Some comments were to make the chart
> narrow to focus on one task while others say to include all
> proposed tasks to not have to recharter which has caused issues in
> the past."
> [3]
> https://cabforum.org/2019/08/16/minutes-for-ca-browser-forum-f2f-meeting-47-thessaloniki-12-13-june-2019/#Creation-of-Additional-Groups---Secure-Mail
> "Eventually, all parties in the conversation came to the
> conclusion that it would behoove the Forum to scope the working
> group charter to domain validation, first, before adding other
> functionality once that portion was locked-down."
> [4]
> https://cabforum.org/2019/12/12/minutes-for-ca-browser-forum-f2f-meeting-48-guangzhou-5-7-november-2019/#Creation-of-Additional-Groups---Secure-Mail
>
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