[cabfpub] Ballot Forum-XX: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws to version 2.3

Fri Feb 28 15:07:29 MST 2020

On 2020-02-28 5:29 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> There's a lot of changes here, and this will take us quite a bit of 
> time to digest.
>
> I don't know that we're necessarily supportive of the "Full Member" 
> definition, and the implications that has. The implicit consequences 
> of treating Interested Parties as Members of the Forum is not what was 
> intended with the current Bylaws, as I understand it, and so it has 
> ramifications throughout. That is, our definitions have historically 
> been "Member, Associate Member, Interested Party" - with zero overlap. 
> This seems to redefine things to be "Full Member, Associate Member, 
> Interested Party", with using "Member" as the aggregate term for all 
> three, and it's unclear why that was necessary.
>

The concern that was documented in the Bylaws issues was that it becomes 
confusing when we use plural (i.e. Forum Members, WG Members). Does that 
include "all Members"? Does it include only "Members" (with a capital 
"M")? Does it include every Forum member? That's mainly the problem I 
tried to solve by adding the "Full Member" definition. However, if we 
can find an alternative approach to achieve the same goal, I would 
support it.

> However, the biggest concern remains with the approach to the Chair / 
> Vice Chair making changes to "Informative" sections. We're 
> tremendously appreciative of your efforts here in finding a solution, 
> and we're trying to work through how best to propose changes that 
> capture the intent. We're very appreciative of the explicit attempt to 
> limit the scope in sucha manner.

Thank you for that, all I did was include some language that was 
proposed in previous meeting. I hope it will only require a few more 
tweaks to become acceptable by Google.

Dimitris.

>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:15 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via 
> Public <public at cabforum.org <mailto:public at cabforum.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     I just received a comment that Section 2.3 point 7 also needs to
>     precede all occurrences of "Member" with "Full", as Interested
>     Parties are sometimes able to participate in Forum
>     Teleconferences, etc, and so may affect the quorum without a
>     corresponding ability to vote.
>
>     So, I updated this paragraph to:
>
>     "7.    A ballot result will be considered valid only when more
>     than half of the number of currently active Full Members has
>     participated. The number of currently active Full Members is the
>     average number of Full Member organizations that have participated
>     in the previous three (3) Forum Meetings and Forum Teleconferences."
>
>     There is no need to circulate a new version yet. I'll wait for
>     more feedback.
>
>
>     Thanks,
>     Dimitris.
>
>     On 2020-02-27 8:51 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
>     Public wrote:
>>     Following up from the latest F2F meeting, I have prepared a
>>     ballot for a Bylaws update.
>>
>>     I am looking for two endorsers.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Dimitris.
>>
>>
>>     *Purpose of Ballot:* The Forum has identified and discussed a
>>     number of improvements to be made to the current version of the
>>     Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to function more
>>     effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues
>>     with Bylaws to be addressed
>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtrIy3F5cPge0_M-C8J6fe72KcVI8H5Q_2S6S31ynU0>”
>>     document.
>>
>>     Here is a list of major changes:
>>
>>      1. Clarification of the use of the term “Member” so it is clear
>>         when we discuss about all Forum Members (which includes
>>         Associate Members and Interested Parties), and when we
>>         discuss about the “Full Members”.
>>      2. Adding the term “Voting Representative” which is designated
>>         by each Member. Only votes submitted by Voting
>>         Representatives will be considered
>>      3. Replacing of the term “Forum wiki” with the properly defined
>>         term “Member Web Site”
>>      4. Removing references for Webmaster in the definition of
>>         “Public Web Site” since it is repeated in section 5.2
>>      5. New Photography Policy in Exhibit D
>>      6. Clarification of 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate
>>         representatives
>>      7. Allowing informative changes to Guidelines by the Chair or
>>         Vice Chair
>>      8. In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the
>>         “latest” software produced by a Certificate Consumer
>>
>>     *— MOTION BEGINS –*
>>
>>     *Amendment to the Bylaws:* Replace the entire text of the Bylaws
>>     of the CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser
>>     Forum Bylaws draft v2.3.pdf).
>>
>>     *
>>     **— MOTION ENDS –*
>>
>>     A red-line is also attached (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws draft v2.3
>>     redline.pdf).
>>
>>     The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:
>>
>>     Formal discussion period:  (14+ days)
>>
>>     Ballot Discussion Begins: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
>>
>>     Ballot Discussion Ends: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
>>
>>     Vote for approval (7 days)
>>
>>     Ballot Vote Begins: TBD
>>
>>     Ballot Vote Ends: TBD
>>
>>
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