[cabfpub] Ballot Forum-12: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws [Was: "Ballot Forum-XX: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws to version 2.3"]
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
dzacharo at harica.gr
Wed Apr 29 11:50:23 MST 2020
Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestions. I accepted most of them.
You can see the full list of changes in
https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/pull/2
Unfortunately I couldn't get these changes earlier to meet the expected
timeline but we're here now. I'm still looking for one more endorser to
get the ballot started.
Thank you,
Dimitris.
On 2020-04-22 10:13 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek wrote:
>
> Dimitris,
>
> I made some comments in github about a few minor issues that I think
> it would be useful to resolve, but this draft is close enough to the
> desired final state that I’d feel comfortable endorsing it, if that
> removes a roadblock to it moving forward.
>
> -Tim
>
> *From:* Public <public-bounces at cabforum.org> *On Behalf Of *Dimitris
> Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 2:15 AM
> *To:* CABforum1 <public at cabforum.org>
> *Subject:* [cabfpub] Ballot Forum-12: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws [Was:
> "Ballot Forum-XX: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws to version 2.3"]
>
>
> We made some progress and we're getting closer to starting the
> discussion period for this ballot. We're "almost" there :)
>
> I have created a pull request
> https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/pull/2 that contains all the
> changes we discussed in past meetings. We have two (final?) issues to
> address before proceeding:
>
> 1. Ryan suggested that we replace the term "Full Member" (new term I
> proposed) with "Voting Member". I support this change which makes
> things clearer to the readers. "Members" would be the total of
> "Voting Members, Associate Members and Interested Parties".
> 2. We added the term "Voting Representative". My suggestion was to
> leave "the *process *to designate Voting Representatives for
> voting members" to the individual Chartered Working Group charters
> to address. Google strongly feels the assignment process should be
> addressed and described in the Bylaws and be Forum-level
> consistent. I don't have strong feelings about this and would be
> happy to make this process Forum-wide.
>
> I would like to hear any feedback with objections or concerns
> regarding these two changes. Unless I hear otherwise, I will proceed
> with these updates on Friday April 24. Hopefully, if I get a second
> endorser we can start the discussion period on April 27. As promised,
> the discussion will remain open for at least 14 days before
> considering voting to begin.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dimitris.
>
>
>
> On 2020-02-29 12:07 π.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
> wrote:
>
> On 2020-02-28 5:29 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> There's a lot of changes here, and this will take us quite a
> bit of time to digest.
>
> I don't know that we're necessarily supportive of the "Full
> Member" definition, and the implications that has. The
> implicit consequences of treating Interested Parties as
> Members of the Forum is not what was intended with the current
> Bylaws, as I understand it, and so it has ramifications
> throughout. That is, our definitions have historically been
> "Member, Associate Member, Interested Party" - with zero
> overlap. This seems to redefine things to be "Full Member,
> Associate Member, Interested Party", with using "Member" as
> the aggregate term for all three, and it's unclear why that
> was necessary.
>
>
> The concern that was documented in the Bylaws issues was that it
> becomes confusing when we use plural (i.e. Forum Members, WG
> Members). Does that include "all Members"? Does it include only
> "Members" (with a capital "M")? Does it include every Forum
> member? That's mainly the problem I tried to solve by adding the
> "Full Member" definition. However, if we can find an alternative
> approach to achieve the same goal, I would support it.
>
>
> However, the biggest concern remains with the approach to the
> Chair / Vice Chair making changes to "Informative" sections.
> We're tremendously appreciative of your efforts here in
> finding a solution, and we're trying to work through how best
> to propose changes that capture the intent. We're very
> appreciative of the explicit attempt to limit the scope in
> sucha manner.
>
>
> Thank you for that, all I did was include some language that was
> proposed in previous meeting. I hope it will only require a few
> more tweaks to become acceptable by Google.
>
> Dimitris.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:15 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos
> (HARICA) via Public <public at cabforum.org
> <mailto:public at cabforum.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just received a comment that Section 2.3 point 7 also
> needs to precede all occurrences of "Member" with "Full",
> as Interested Parties are sometimes able to participate in
> Forum Teleconferences, etc, and so may affect the quorum
> without a corresponding ability to vote.
>
> So, I updated this paragraph to:
>
> "7. A ballot result will be considered valid only when
> more than half of the number of currently active Full
> Members has participated. The number of currently active
> Full Members is the average number of Full Member
> organizations that have participated in the previous three
> (3) Forum Meetings and Forum Teleconferences."
>
> There is no need to circulate a new version yet. I'll wait
> for more feedback.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dimitris.
>
> On 2020-02-27 8:51 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
> via Public wrote:
>
> Following up from the latest F2F meeting, I have
> prepared a ballot for a Bylaws update.
>
> I am looking for two endorsers.
>
> Thanks,
> Dimitris.
>
>
> *Purpose of Ballot:* The Forum has identified and
> discussed a number of improvements to be made to the
> current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and
> allow the Forum to function more effectively. Most of
> these changes are described in the “Issues with Bylaws
> to be addressed
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtrIy3F5cPge0_M-C8J6fe72KcVI8H5Q_2S6S31ynU0>”
> document.
>
> Here is a list of major changes:
>
> 1. Clarification of the use of the term “Member” so
> it is clear when we discuss about all Forum
> Members (which includes Associate Members and
> Interested Parties), and when we discuss about the
> “Full Members”.
> 2. Adding the term “Voting Representative” which is
> designated by each Member. Only votes submitted by
> Voting Representatives will be considered
> 3. Replacing of the term “Forum wiki” with the
> properly defined term “Member Web Site”
> 4. Removing references for Webmaster in the
> definition of “Public Web Site” since it is
> repeated in section 5.2
> 5. New Photography Policy in Exhibit D
> 6. Clarification of 4.1 (2) that Forum Members
> nominate representatives
> 7. Allowing informative changes to Guidelines by the
> Chair or Vice Chair
> 8. In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is
> trusted in the “latest” software produced by a
> Certificate Consumer
>
> *— MOTION BEGINS –*
>
> *Amendment to the Bylaws:* Replace the entire text of
> the Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum with the attached
> version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws draft v2.3.pdf).
>
> *
> — MOTION ENDS –*
>
> A red-line is also attached (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws
> draft v2.3 redline.pdf).
>
> The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:
>
> Formal discussion period: (14+ days)
>
> Ballot Discussion Begins: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
>
> Ballot Discussion Ends: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
>
> Vote for approval (7 days)
>
> Ballot Vote Begins: TBD
>
> Ballot Vote Ends: TBD
>
>
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