[cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: Membership Application of Sony

[Ryan Sleevi]

I'm having trouble finding a clear summary of the question from the message
forwarded.

Could you helpfully re-state it?

It sounds like the question is "Can we join the Forum without joining a
CWG" - but that may not be a correct understanding.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 1:08 PM Kirk Hall via Public <public at cabforum.org>
wrote:

> That is my assumption.  First, they want to understand what our Bylaws
> require for participation as a Certificate Consumer, and whether they would
> qualify.  That’s what tomorrow’s discussion will be about.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi at google.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2018 10:05 AM
> *To:* Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com>; CABFPub <
> public at cabforum.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Membership Application of Sony
>
>
>
> Kirk,
>
>
>
> Can you clarify - are they applying for membership of a CWG as well?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:58 PM Kirk Hall via Public <public at cabforum.org>
> wrote:
>
> Sony has contacted the Forum about joining as a browser member.  Sony has
> asked a question about the membership requirements for browsers in our
> Bylaws.  We will discuss on our call tomorrow.
>
>
>
> To assist in our discussion tomorrow, I am sending out the relevant
> portions of our Bylaws on browser membership requirements along with the
> existing discussion with Sony.  (Browser is now called Certificate Consumer
> in our most recent update to the Bylaws.)
>
>
>
> *Bylaw 2.1 Qualifying for Forum Membership*
>
>
>
> (a) All Forum members must *** meet at least one of the following
> criteria: ***
>
>
>
> (*3) Certificate Consumer: The member organization produces a software
> product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for
> relying upon certificates and is a member of a CWG [Chartered Working
> Group, such as the new Server Certificate Working Group].*
>
>
>
> (b) Applicants should supply the following information:
>
> (1) Confirmation that the applicant satisfies at least one of the
> membership criteria (and if it satisfies more than one, indication of the
> single category under which the applicant wishes to apply).
>
> (2) The organization name, as you wish it to appear on the Forum Web site
> and in official Forum documents.
>
> (3) URL of the applicant's main Web site.
>
> (4) Names and email addresses of employees who will participate in the
> Forum mail list.
>
> (5) Emergency contact information for security issues related to
> certificate trust.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Questions [mailto:questions-bounces at cabforum.org] *On Behalf Of *
> Adam.Goldberg at sony.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:59 AM
> *To:* dean.coclin at digicert.com
> *Cc:* questions at cabforum.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfquest] Membership Application of Sony
>
>
>
> Hi Dean,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the quick reply.  Limiting the discussion to televisions (the
> question at-hand), they’re based on Android TV then with Sony software on
> top.  So, “does Sony make the software” is yes and no.
>
>
>
> But we **do** write the software that does the cryptographic signature
> validation.
>
>
>
> I hope that answers your question.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> Adam Goldberg
>
> Director, Technical Standards
>
> Technology Standards Office
>
> Sony Electronics, Inc.
>
> 202-601-4130 (tel)
>
> 571-363-9778 (mobile)
>
>
>
> *From:* Dean Coclin [mailto:dean.coclin at digicert.com
> <dean.coclin at digicert.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:44 AM
> *To:* Goldberg, Adam <Adam.Goldberg at sony.com>
> *Cc:* questions at cabforum.org
> *Subject:* RE: Membership Application of Sony
>
>
>
> Hello Adam,
>
>
>
> Thank you for contacting the CA/B Forum. This question will have to be
> discussed by the members. I will ask the chair to put it on the agenda for
> the next meeting which is in 1 week.
>
> Perhaps you can help clarify by stating whether or not Sony makes the
> underlying software that runs in the hardware device made by Sony?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Dean Coclin
>
> for the CA/B Forum
>
>
>
> *From:* Questions [mailto:questions-bounces at cabforum.org
> <questions-bounces at cabforum.org>] *On Behalf Of *Adam.Goldberg at sony.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:10 AM
> *To:* questions at cabforum.org
> *Subject:* [cabfquest] Membership Application of Sony
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Can you please describe the bylaw requirement of “produces a software
> product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for
> relying upon certificates and is a member of a CWG”?
>
>
>
> If we produce a hardware product which includes software which relies upon
> (public root) certificates, does that meet the definition of “produces a
> software product”?
>
>
>
> If our situation fits within the definition of a “Certificate Consumer
> organization”, I will follow-up with a complete application (following
> legal review of the IPR documents).
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Adam Goldberg
>
> Director, Technical Standards
>
> Technology Standards Office
>
> Sony Electronics, Inc.
>
> 202-601-4130 (tel)
>
> 571-363-9778 (mobile)
>
>
>
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