[cabfpub] Ballot 223 - Update BR Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria: Request to postpone it

Moudrick M. Dadashov md at ssc.lt
Mon Apr 23 16:01:36 UTC 2018


Tim, the latest ballot doesn't have "national scheme", its gone...

Thanks,
M.D.

On 4/23/2018 5:53 PM, Tim Hollebeek via Public wrote:
>
> There’s no need to postpone the discussion phase, as the discussion 
> phase can last for as long as is necessary to get the ballot to where 
> we want it to be.  That’s why it’s listed as 7+ days.  The end time 
> should be listed as “not before 30 April 2018” instead of “30 April 
> 2018”, in line with what we did for other recent ballots.
>
> Also, it is worth mentioning that this ballot came out of an oversight 
> by the Governance Change Working Group, where we accidentally didn’t 
> include Dimitris’ changes in the Governance Reform ballot, despite the 
> fact that we said we were going to.  It would be a shame to hold up 
> these improvements for a long time by tying them to other larger 
> efforts.  I could be wrong, but “define more precise requirements on 
> standards for conducting the audits” by referencing new standards 
> sounds like something that could take a long while to get agreement on.
>
> Fixing the definition of “national scheme” sounds much more doable, 
> and suggesting a concrete proposal of how it could be done would help.
>
> -Tim
>
> *From:*Public [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Arno 
> Fiedler via Public
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2018 10:27 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 223 - Update BR Section 8.4 for CA 
> audit criteria: Request to postpone it
>
> Dear CA/B-Forum Members,
>
> sorry for jumping in late, Dimitris and Moudrick, many thanks for the 
> proposed ballot.
> After checking different Browser Requirements I strongly suggest to 
> postpone the discussion phase ballot 223 on "Updating BR Section 8.4".
>
> We should have further improvements on the definitions,
> esp. of  "national scheme" ( e. g. within EA or IAF Framework)  and
> define more precise requirements on standards for conducting the 
> audits, (e. g. ISO/IEC 17065 supplemented by ETSI EN 319 403)
> so I suggest to postpone the start of the discussion phase on May, the 
> 7th.
>
> Would realy like to cover the audit requirements from all browsers by 
> the Ballot, so more time is needed.
>
> Thanks in advance and best regards
>
> Arno Fiedler
>
> Am 23.04.2018 um 07:18 schrieb Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public:
>
>     The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos
>     of HARICA and endorsed by Moudrick M. Dadashov of SSC and Tim
>     Hollebeek from Digicert.
>
>     *Background*:
>
>     Section 8.4 of the Baseline Requirements describes the audit
>     criteria for CAs that issue Publicly-Trusted SSL/TLS Certificates.
>     This ballot attempts to achieve two things:
>
>      1. Remove the old ETSI TS documents
>      2. Align the WebTrust and ETSI requirements
>
>     "WebTrust for Certification Authorities" is equivalent to "ETSI EN
>     319 401" and "WebTrust Principles and Criteria for Certification
>     Authorities – SSL Baseline with Network Security" is equivalent to
>     "ETSI EN 319 411-1".
>
>     *-- MOTION BEGINS --*
>
>     Replace the first two numbered items in section 8.4 from:
>
>      1. WebTrust for Certification Authorities v2.0;
>      2. A national scheme that audits conformance to ETSI TS 102 042 /
>         ETSI EN 319 411-1; or
>
>     to:
>
>      1. "WebTrust for CAs v2.0 or newer" AND "WebTrust for CAs SSL
>         Baseline with Network Security v2.2 or newer"; or
>      2. "ETSI EN 319 401 v2.1.1 or newer" AND "ETSI EN 319 411-1
>         v1.1.1"; or
>
>     *-- MOTION ENDS --*
>
>     The procedure for this ballot is as follows (exact start and end
>     times may be adjusted to comply with applicable Bylaws and IPR
>     Agreement):
>
>     *BALLOT 223 Status: Update BR Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria*
>
>     	
>
>     *Start time (22:00 UTC)*
>
>     	
>
>     *End time (22:00 UTC)*
>
>     Discussion (7+ days)
>
>     	
>
>     23 April 2018
>
>     	
>
>     30 April 2018
>
>     Vote for approval (7 days)
>
>     	
>
>     TBD
>
>     	
>
>     TBD according to voting start time
>
>     If vote approves ballot: Review Period (Chair to send Review
>     Notice) (30 days)
>     If Exclusion Notice(s) filed, ballot approval is rescinded and PAG
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