[cabfpub] Ballot 223 - Update BR Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria: Request to postpone it

Tim Hollebeek tim.hollebeek at digicert.com
Mon Apr 23 14:56:00 UTC 2018

Also, cross-posting a message to ESI TSP and CABF is a bad idea, as both are members-only lists with a small intersection, so most reply attempts will bounce on one list, causing a fractured conversation.




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Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 223 - Update BR Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria: Request to postpone it


Dear CA/B-Forum Members,

sorry for jumping in late, Dimitris and Moudrick, many thanks for the proposed ballot. 
After checking different Browser Requirements I strongly suggest to postpone the discussion phase ballot 223 on "Updating BR Section 8.4".

We should have further improvements on the definitions, 
esp. of  "national scheme" ( e. g. within EA or IAF Framework)  and 
define more precise requirements on standards for conducting the audits, (e. g. ISO/IEC 17065 supplemented by ETSI EN 319 403) 
so I suggest to postpone the start of the discussion phase on May, the 7th.

Would realy like to cover the audit requirements from all browsers by the Ballot, so more time is needed.

Thanks in advance and best regards

Arno Fiedler


Am 23.04.2018 um 07:18 schrieb Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public:


The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and endorsed by Moudrick M. Dadashov of SSC and Tim Hollebeek from Digicert. 


Section 8.4 of the Baseline Requirements describes the audit criteria for CAs that issue Publicly-Trusted SSL/TLS Certificates. This ballot attempts to achieve two things: 

1.	Remove the old ETSI TS documents 
2.	Align the WebTrust and ETSI requirements 

"WebTrust for Certification Authorities" is equivalent to "ETSI EN 319 401" and "WebTrust Principles and Criteria for Certification Authorities – SSL Baseline with Network Security" is equivalent to "ETSI EN 319 411-1". 


Replace the first two numbered items in section 8.4 from: 

1.	WebTrust for Certification Authorities v2.0; 
2.	A national scheme that audits conformance to ETSI TS 102 042 / ETSI EN 319 411-1; or 


1.	"WebTrust for CAs v2.0 or newer" AND "WebTrust for CAs SSL Baseline with Network Security v2.2 or newer"; or  
2.	"ETSI EN 319 401 v2.1.1 or newer" AND "ETSI EN 319 411-1 v1.1.1"; or


The procedure for this ballot is as follows (exact start and end times may be adjusted to comply with applicable Bylaws and IPR Agreement): 

BALLOT 223 Status: Update BR Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria 

Start time (22:00 UTC) 

End time (22:00 UTC) 

Discussion (7+ days) 

23 April 2018 

30 April 2018 

Vote for approval (7 days) 


TBD according to voting start time 

If vote approves ballot: Review Period (Chair to send Review Notice) (30 days)
If Exclusion Notice(s) filed, ballot approval is rescinded and PAG to be created.
If no Exclusion Notices filed, ballot becomes effective at end of Review Period.
Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread on the Public Mail List. 

Upon filing of Review Notice by Chair 

30 days after filing of Review Notice by Chair 

>From the Bylaws section 2.4(a): "If the Draft Guideline Ballot is proposing a Final Maintenance Guideline, such ballot will include a redline or comparison showing the set of changes from the Final Guideline section(s) intended to become a Final Maintenance Guideline, and need not include a copy of the full set of guidelines. Such redline or comparison shall be made against the Final Guideline section(s) as they exist at the time a ballot is proposed, and need not take into consideration other ballots that may be proposed subsequently, except as provided in Section 2.4(j) below". 

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