[cabfpub] Informal discussion of Code of Conduct Ballot

Rob Stradling rob.stradling at comodo.com
Tue May 2 09:31:37 UTC 2017


On 02/05/17 02:32, Jeremy Rowley via Public wrote:
> We’ve already seen spats about “demeaning” and “inappropriate” so I
> think the Forum does need to address the scope of that particular issue.

Likewise, what's the scope of "(a)  In connection with official Forum 
activities," ?

What happens if, for example, Forum member X posts a message to cabfpub, 
and then Forum member Y tweets disparaging remarks about that message 
and member X?

Twitter itself isn't in scope.  Twitter conversations between Forum 
members about matters unrelated to the Forum aren't in scope.  However, 
arguably a tweet about something Forum-related _is_ "in connection with 
official Forum activities".  Is that the intent?

> *From:*vfournier at apple.com [mailto:vfournier at apple.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 1, 2017 7:17 PM
> *To:* Jeremy Rowley <jeremy.rowley at digicert.com>
> *Cc:* CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public at cabforum.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] Informal discussion of Code of Conduct Ballot
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> Hi Jeremy,
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> I think the words used are pretty clear, and they are used in other SDO
> Codes of Conduct without any confusion, problem or issue.  If you’d like
> to propose *_specific words_* that you’d suggest we use instead, we’d be
> happy to consider them and *_determine if they are any more clear_*.
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> We should keep in mind that these are common sense, plain English terms.
>  It is troubling that people are picking at words like “demeaning” and
> “inappropriate.”  Do Forum members need to reserve the right to engage
> in certain types of demeaning and inappropriate conduct?
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> It’s not about stifling conversation.  It’s about treating fellow Forum
> members with professionalism and respect.  I don’t understand why there
> is resistance to that.
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> Best regards,
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> Virginia Fournier
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> Senior Standards Counsel
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> ✉︎ vmf at apple.com <mailto:vmf at apple.com>
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> On May 1, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Rowley <jeremy.rowley at digicert.com
> <mailto:jeremy.rowley at digicert.com>> wrote:
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> Suggestions:
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> (b)  Refrain from conduct __within the Forum__ such as:
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>   * Directly insulting or demeaning another person
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> [JR] This seems vague. Some people take things as demeaning when they
> are not meant to be demeaning.  I think this could be used to stifle
> conversation. We’ve had accusations that conduct has been
> insulting/demeaning on the forum. Would you say it’s risen to that
> level? I support the principle, but would like clarity so we don’t get
> end up mixing persons with ideas eventually.
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>   * Touching another person in a physically inappropriate way.
>   * Deliberately intimidating, stalking or following (online or in
>     person) another person.
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> [JR] Following online? Like on twitter?
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>   * Inappropriately disrupting official Forum events, including
>     meetings, talks, and presentations.
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> [JR] Inappropriately is too vague. Are we trying to change a specific
> behavior at the CAB Forum? Could we clarify what this means?
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>   * Spamming, trolling, flaming, baiting, and other attention-stealing
>     behavior.
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> [JR] Baiting/flaming are too similar to criticism of the idea. Can we
> add clarity?
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