[cabfpub] Ballot 185 - Limiting the Lifetime of Certificates

[Dean Coclin]

Minor changes to ballots have traditionally been allowed in the forum. "Minor" has been left to the discretion of the ballot producer/endorsers but we've seldom seen controversy over that.

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Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 185 - Limiting the Lifetime of Certificates

G'day Gerv,

is it permissible to change the ballot applicability date without invalidating the ballot? I thought Ryan indicated earlier this week it was not possible to change anything once the ballot process had started...??

Can someone please clarify?

Regards,
-Scott

On 2/11/2017 9:49 PM, Gervase Markham via Public wrote:
> On 09/02/17 21:08, Ryan Sleevi via Public wrote:
>> Ballot 185 - Limiting the Lifetime of Certificates
>>
>> The following motion has been proposed by Ryan Sleevi of Google, Inc 
>> and endorsed by Josh Aas of ISRG and Gervase Markham of Mozilla to 
>> introduce
> 
> Having endorsed this, I confess I was thinking more about the maximum 
> certificate lifetime (which I do support as a target we need to get 
> to, and soon) than about the lead time - which, by the time this 
> ballot passes, will be about 2 months and a week. Given the level of 
> ongoing engagement with the question, having agreed to endorse I was 
> also a little surprised to see us enter the formal discussion period so soon.
> 
> In one sense, the argument that "this is just a change of a number in 
> some certificate profiles" is right. In another sense, I accept that 
> it does take time to adjust customer expectations, even if the 
> different action required by said customer may be a year or more in the future.
> While it might be argued CAs should have asked their customers about 
> the potential impact of this change after previous discussions, it's 
> not reasonable to suggest that they should have been preparing them 
> for its enactment before any ballot was passed.
> 
> There are some ways a lifetime ballot might be constructed to ease 
> this difficulty, some of which even keep a May date for this first 
> step, but they are not in the realm of the sort of minor adjustment 
> historically permitted to ballots during the formal discussion period.
> 
> I therefore request that the applicability date in this ballot be 
> changed from 1st May 2017 to, at the earliest, 24th August 2017, 6 
> months after the ballot voting end date. 6 months has been floated 
> before as a reasonable lead time for high-impact changes, so I hope 
> this will remove that point of objection even for those who feel this 
> change is high-impact.
> 
> As the voting period begins on Thu/Fri next week, I hope we can apply 
> this change soon, and continue from there with a process of thoughtful 
> listening and discussion on that basis.
> 
> Gerv
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