[cabfpub] RV: Text for ETSI Audit in CAB Forum baseline

Tue Jun 7 12:23:56 UTC 2016

Yes, you´re correct and the BRs should be clear with this, but at the moment, the root program requirements already says that a full audit is required and then the TSPs that use ETSI standards shall make a full audit every year, but does not affect eIDAS nor ETSI. And yes, for changing the BRs, it needs to vote, but for what I think was the text to include was just to change the “old” TSs to include the “new” ENs and for that there´s no need to vote I think.

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De: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi at google.com]
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Asunto: Re: [cabfpub] RV: Text for ETSI Audit in CAB Forum baseline

Inigo,

The point is that the Baseline Requirements should make it clearer that conformance to the BRs requires an annual (full) audit, as discussed by Jody and I. The proposed change is to Section 8.2 of the BRs to make it explicit that the annual surveillance audit, as required by eIDAS, is insufficient, and that a full audit to the relevant ETSI standards is necessary.

This doesn't change eIDAS. It doesn't change the ETSI standards. But it does define, clearly, what conformance to the Baseline Requirements means. The Baseline Requirements already defines the audit period as 1 year (see Section 8.1) - Dean was pointing out that if we want to make the Baseline Requirements' clearer, and reflecting what trust stores already expect, then we'd need a ballot to change the wording in 8.2 to provide that clarity.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Barreira Iglesias, Iñigo <i-barreira at izenpe.eus<mailto:i-barreira at izenpe.eus>> wrote:
Not sure what you mean. There´s no change nor in any ETSI standards nor in eIDAS, what it was suggested was than instead of applying what eIDAS indicates of a maximum of 2 years with annual surveillance audits, applying full yearly audits for the CABF, so this is also according to eIDAS and then I think there´s nothing to vote here. The idea is that the TSPs shall follow the browser requirements independently of using Webtrust or ETSI audits and these have to be aware by their CABs. And the ACABc is trying to make this resolution public.

De: Dean Coclin [mailto:Dean_Coclin at symantec.com<mailto:Dean_Coclin at symantec.com>]
Enviado el: domingo, 29 de mayo de 2016 2:33
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Asunto: RE: [cabfpub] RV: Text for ETSI Audit in CAB Forum baseline

As you know, changing this will require discussion and a ballot. Who will drive that? Inigo?

Thanks,
Dean

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Subject: Re: [cabfpub] RV: Text for ETSI Audit in CAB Forum baseline

Richard,

yesterday was agreed to have full audits yearly to meet browser requirements. So even eIDAS says the 2 years audit with anual surveillance audits, it was decided to change to yearly full audits, and that´s what the text from Nick reflects.

This is in the CABF documents affecting the SSL certificates at the moment.

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Asunto: RE: [cabfpub] RV: Text for ETSI Audit in CAB Forum baseline

My only comment on Nick’s proposal is on frequency.

In Mr Wanko’s presentation he has:

“7.4.6 Audit Frequency

•There shall be a period of no greater than two years for a full (re-)assessment audit unless otherwise required by the […] commercial scheme applying the present document.

7.9 Surveillance

•[…] It is recommended that at least one surveillance audit per year is performed in between full (re-)assessment audits. ”

Which I think captures the eIDAS regulation rather than Nick’s proposal for a full audit annually, so I would change the final sentence to:

“Full audits against the ETSI standards shall be carried out at least every two years and there should be at least one surveillance audit per year between full audits. ”

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Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 16:13:19 +0100
Subject: Text for ETSI Audit in CAB Forum baseline

All,

Following on from my presentation today on the latest ETSI standards and that of the ACAB’c I would suggest that the CABF baseline requirements section 8.2 item on audits against ETSI standards is replaced with the following.  I ask my EU colleagues to come with in any further suggestions.

4. For audits conducted in accordance with any one of the ETSI standards, conformity assessment bodies accredited in accordance with ISO 17065 applying the requirements specified in EN 319 403.  Full audits against the ETSI standards shall be carried out annually.

Elsewhere replace reference to TS 102 042 with EN 319 411-1.

Thanks for the interesting discussions today.

Nick

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