[cabfpub] Fwd: Discussion about RFC5280 and BR in Mozilla-dev-security

[Ryan Sleevi]

1) 20 bits of entropy is not a requirement, at present. Only a SHOULD [Yes,
we should fix that]
2) The RFC 5280 compliance was always a requirement, and zero is,
apparently, questionable (I argue it's clearly wrong, but hey, some
disagree)
3) Mozilla's suggestion, is, at least, that everything created after the BR
compliance dates, or which is audited to BR compliance, should be BR
compliant.

Even if a Root Certificate was generated before 20 bits of entropy became a
requirement, the CA could certainly bring that key out of offline storage
and re-generate it. They have to have the key still (so they can revoke the
intermediates or generate the short-lived responder certificates), and
while it means the certificate generation ceremony must be followed, it
does not strictly seem like an unreasonable requirement to conduct during
the next audit, where your auditors are already on site.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Brown, Wendy (10421) <
wendy.brown at protiviti.com> wrote:

> Jeremy -
> One potential issue is if the Root Certificate was generated before the 20
> bits of entropy became a requirement- are you really saying those CAs had
> to modify their root certificate retroactively?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Dimitris Zacharopoulos <jimmy at it.auth.gr>; public at cabforum.org
> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Fwd: Discussion about RFC5280 and BR in
> Mozilla-dev-security
>
> What does it hurt to require RootCAs to have 20 bits of entropy in the
> serial?  We certainly didn't create an exemption for entropy from the
> serial number. Plus it seems like a good indicator on whether your end
> entity certs and sub CAs will likely have 20 bits of entropy in the serial
> number, doesn't it?
>
> Jeremy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On
> Behalf Of Dimitris Zacharopoulos
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:26 AM
> To: public at cabforum.org
> Subject: [cabfpub] Fwd: Discussion about RFC5280 and BR in
> Mozilla-dev-security
>
>
> Re-posting to the public list (and apologies for those receiving it twice).
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> Dear CA/B Forum members,
>
> There is a discussion in Mozilla-dev-security mailing list regarding the
> interpretation of some sections from the BR (mainly 7.1) and RFC5280 (mainly
> 4.2.1) regarding the "serial number" of "trust anchors" (as defined in
> RFC5280). Now, trust anchors are usually self-signed certificates known as
> RootCA certificates.
>
> According to the verification algorithm, as described in RFC5280, "Trust
> anchors" are treated as input to the algorithm. This means that the serial
> number of the RootCA certificate is ignored, together with other elements
> (for example policy OIDs).
>
> Also, the BR required serial numbers to have 20bits of entropy to prevent
> hash collision attacks. Was there ever a requirement or intension for trust
> anchors to RootCA certificates to have 20bits of entropy?
>
> It would be interesting for people with good technical knowledge of
> RFC5280 and people who defined section 7.1 of the BR to engage in the
> public discussion in moz-dev-sec under thread "New requirement:certlint
> testing".
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dimitris Zacharopoulos.
>
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