[cabfpub] Code Signing Working Group

Jeremy Rowley jeremy.rowley at digicert.com
Wed Apr 27 17:13:14 UTC 2016

What is the objection to the working group continuing to work on the
document? There isn't any IP obligations that arise from doing so and there
isn't a cost to the forum for continued discussion.  Although you are
welcome to put forward a ballot to disband the working group, why does
Mozilla care what happens in that group unless it passes a renewed ballot? 

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From: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On
Behalf Of Gervase Markham
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:14 AM
To: CABFPub <public at cabforum.org>
Subject: [cabfpub] Code Signing Working Group

Hi everyone,

I am told that the Code Signing Working Group is not only working with its
members to provide the necessary open licensing for its work product to
allow it to be used outside the forum (an activity I entirely
support) but is also continuing to work on the document itself, which was
rejected by the Forum in ballot 158.

Given the reasons which were given for the rejection, it seems unlikely that
the group is working on the document because it reasonably expects to
present it for a re-vote in the near future. This raises the question of why
work continues at all.

At this point, we would look at the ballot which formed the Code Signing
Working Group to see what its terms of reference were and when the Working
Group expires; however, this Working Group was not properly formed using a
ballot, and so no such document exists.

If organizations or companies outside the Forum want to take the work
product under the new license and use it, perhaps with further
modifications, then those modifications are the responsibility of those
companies, and not of the Forum. (And neither the original nor any resulting
document should be labelled in a way which suggests that it is an official
Forum document.)

We do now have a Governance Reform working group which (I hope) may one day
result in a reform of the CAB Forum governance to allow sub-parts of the
Forum to work on Code Signing, Email, etc., with some hope that their
documents might be accepted by the full Forum. At that point, it may make
sense to have a Code Signing Working Group, even continuing the work started
by this one on the Code Signing BRs. However, we are nowhere near that yet.

Given the lack of formal status or of a clear mission which is within the
scope of the Forum, I am minded to put forward a ballot to disband the Code
Signing Working Group, and I want to bring this idea to the list for
discussion. If we later need such a group again, we can constitute one in
accordance with the Bylaws.

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