[cabfpub] Ballot 142 – Elimination of EV Insurance Requirement

kirk_hall at trendmicro.com kirk_hall at trendmicro.com
Tue Dec 2 02:15:02 UTC 2014

Gerv -- why are you posting a competing Ballot to Ballot 141?  Does that mean you are opposed to Ballot 141?  If so, why?

As I mentioned in my previous response, I think it makes CAs -- and browsers -- look irresponsible to eliminate insurance requirements for CAs without substituting something else to try to establish financial responsibility.  Do you disagree?

All the work (and discussion) Ben Wilson provided in connection with his Ballot 133 on new insurance requirements convinced us CAs need to do something to establish financial responsibility, and as I discussed, I've been working in proposals for CAs to step up on financial responsibility in two ways -- increasing the potential liability for misissued certs (Ballot 141) and creating some sort of minimum capital requirements (ballot to come).  Are you in support of those goals?

I would point out that Trend Micro was the first to suggest the existing insurance requirements did not meet our goal of greater CA financial responsibility and that they be ended.  That ballot failed because of lack of support from the browsers.  I would have like the chance to complete my substitution of new financial responsibility requirements in exchange for dropping the insurance requirements, and I moved as quickly as I could.  I can't understand the rush.

Would you consider withdrawing your Ballot 142 now, and only reposting if Ballot 141 fails?  That would be much appreciated.

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From: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Gervase Markham
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 6:05 PM
Subject: [cabfpub] Ballot 142 – Elimination of EV Insurance Requirement

Ballot 142 – Elimination of EV Insurance Requirement

The following motion has been proposed by Gervase Markham of Mozilla and endorsed by Ryan Sleevi of Google and Moudrick Dadashov of SSC.


1.  EV Guideline 8.4 is deleted.


The review period for this ballot shall commence at 2200 UTC on Monday,
1 December 2014, and will close at 2200 UTC on Wednesday, 8 December 2014. Unless the motion is withdrawn during the review period, the voting period will start immediately thereafter and will close at 2200 UTC on Wednesday, 15 December 2014. Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread.

A vote in favor of the motion must indicate a clear 'yes' in the response. A vote against must indicate a clear 'no' in the response. A vote to abstain must indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative of a voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted. Voting members are listed here:

In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA category and greater than 50% of the votes cast by members in the browser category must be in favor. Quorum is currently nine (9) members– at least nine members must participate in the ballot, either by voting in favor, voting against, or abstaining.
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