[cabfpub] Teleconference Agenda

Ryan Hurst ryan.hurst at globalsign.com
Thu Nov 7 21:45:05 UTC 2013

I think http://safecurves.cr.yp.to is the only source I know if with objective concerns documented.

Ryan Hurst
Chief Technology Officer
GMO Globalsign

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> On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, "Ben Wilson" <ben at digicert.com> wrote:
> All,
> I spoke briefly with Tim Polk of NIST who is speaking during the IETF Security Area Open Meeting beginning in about 30 minutes.  I said that there is genuine concern about the NIST Suite B curves.  He said that while he is focusing on the procedural steps, I or anyone else could publicly express their concerns about NIST Suite B during the open-mike portion of the session.
> Ben
> From: Ben Wilson [mailto:ben at digicert.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:01 PM
> To: 'public at cabforum.org'
> Subject: RE: [cabfpub] Teleconference Agenda
> FWIW - Today at IETF Bruce Schneier reiterated that math and science are sound foundations to build upon.   
> If anyone is interested, here is a link to an RSA Europe Presentation on Random Number Generation - http://www.rsaconference.com/writable/presentations/file_upload/ads-r08-entropy_-random-numbers-and-keys-whats-good-enough.pdf and a link to  NIST 800-90a review that has also been mentioned – http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistbul/itlbul2013_09_supplemental.pdf.
> So, the discussion in this area tomorrow might focus on areas where we can do something as a CAB Forum to improve end user security (get the biggest ROI for our efforts).
> On the first item, private key possession by CAs.  We ought to address secure private key generation by CAs, secure delivery to subscribers, and secure deletion of subscriber private keys from CA systems.  We ought to look what we already have written and then to policies that others have written as guidance for improvements to CABF policy.
> From: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Erwann Abalea
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:10 AM
> To: public at cabforum.org
> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Teleconference Agenda
> Le 06/11/2013 14:59, Håvard Molland a écrit :
> On 11/05/2013 10:16 PM, Ben Wilson wrote:
> Besides reviewing working group status, new web site, and draft bylaws, which I'll send out soon, what other hot topics should we add to Thursday's discussion?  Remember, it will be an hour earlier for most of you.
> I would like that we discuss that some CAs generate the site certificate's private key for their customers.  It is my opinion that this breaks the trust model and, especially in the light of recent events, I believe this is a bad practice.
> In the light of older published results (weak Debian keys, lack of entropy on some devices as explained in the "Mining your P's and Q's" and subsequent papers), it can also be seen as a good practice. We at Keynectis don't do that, but I can accept the positive arguments for such practices.
> We could also discuss elliptic curves and recent worries that certain curve constants might have been manipulated: http://slashdot.org/submission/2947823/are-the-nist-standard-elliptic-curves-back-doored
> Please distinguish the Dual_EC_DRBG and NIST curves concerns. Dual_EC_DRBG has certainly been weakened, while there's still some doubts regarding NIST curves. Maybe it's time to allow for other curves, Brainpool ones come to mind (RFC5639).
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