[cabfpub] Phone verification issues

kirk_hall at trendmicro.com kirk_hall at trendmicro.com
Thu Jun 27 21:40:03 UTC 2013

In the US, notaries do not even read the document they are notarizing – so they can’t attest to anything (they can’t even attest that a phone number is or is not mentioned in the document).

Likewise, under state law establishing notary publics, there is no provision for making the notary look for a phone number on the customer’s personal ID before notarizing (let alone making a notation of the phone number).  None of my ID documents have my phone number, or my company’s phone number, anyway.  All a US notary does is look at a driver’s license or passport, check the photo and name, and if it matches the person before them, signs and stamps the document (whatever it says).

From: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
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On 06/28/2013 12:13 AM, From Jeremy Rowley:
We could also consider start allowing notaries.  When the EV guidelines were originally created, verification of notaries was extremely difficult.  However, almost every state now has a public repository of notaries along with contact information.  Because notary verification reliability has significantly increased over the last couple of years, we should consider expanding Verified Letter verification of phone numbers to include notarized letters based on original documentation.

If you are referring to so-called "Public Notaries" as common in the US than I guess we'd object. They are not nearly close to the requirements and liabilities lawyers or Latin notaries are subject to. Nor do I believe they are really capable to really confirm all the relevant details.

A public notary could perhaps confirm having seen a document (such as an invoice or other evidence etc.) but not give a legal opinion as a lawyer can.



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