[Infrastructure] [Draft] Minutes of Meeting 6-Mar-2019
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Wed Mar 20 08:17:51 MST 2019
Apologies for the (significant) delays in circulating these.
Minutes of the Infrastructure WG Teleconference - 06-Mar-2019
Present: Ben, Dimitris, Ryan, Wayne
Dimitris read the antitrust statement
Minutes from the previous meeting were not discussed
Neither a draft nor final agenda had been circulated to the WG in advance
of the meeting. The following Agenda items were proposed:
- Discussion about the format and storage of canonical versions of Forum
- Agenda Items for the F2F
- An update on website migration
- Wiki configuration and setup
Dimitris highlighted we need two things:
People familiar with GitHub
People comfortable with the output
Wayne discussed how there had been discussion around red lines and
ballot text, with some inconsistency between red line and ballot text
There was discussion about whether or not a link to a GitHub pull
request or diff would meet the Bylaw requirements regarding
were concerns raised over how this would be made available for long-term
storage, how we would ensure all members had a consistent view during the
balloting process (discussion and voting), and how to make those
after results were available.
Dimitris highlighted that the current bylaws require you circulate
the full document, so we can’t just shift to only circulating a red line
Ryan tried to unpack the concerns Wayne was highlighting
We could lose redline PDFs
We could lose full draft PDFs
We don’t want to link externally
In discussing this, it became clear that related to canonical
versions of documents, there was a need to provide ballots in a
manner - canonical ballots. What that process should be, whether
members should be expected to provide such ballots or whether it
a function of the Chair (or, like Webmaster, some delegated
role), and how
to avoid the issues and ambiguities which the Forum has seen in recent
ballots, such as a lack of agreement between the balloted text and the
redline or the redline and the final document.
Consensus to recommend there’s a canonical document and canonical
workflow. Members would not be required to learn the canonical
ballots, but to avoid ambiguity and provide consistent archival-quality
perspectives on the Forum work product, having a canonical workflow was
Wayne highlighted the Bylaws currently set a precedence re: Ballot
Version and Redline. There was a proposal to change the Bylaws to make it
clear that a Ballot Version is not strictly required if a redline version
is provided, making it easier to avoid conflict between two different
- Wayne’s written a document for the procedure for GitHub ballots.
Dimitris has added a slot to be able to discuss this document and walk
members through this process.
- Dimitris proposed on the second day having a slot to do a hackathon to
work through some of the formatting issues of the document, and was looking
for feedback from folks on the call.
- Ryan mentioned we had something similar at Cisco. The hackathon during
the F2F then wasn’t as productive, because it wasn’t guided as to what were
the problems to focus on. He suggested in may make sense to instead end the
F2F early, while providing space for the members to hack on the issues
- Wayne highlighted that Jos had proposed doing this on a previous call,
but it sounded like folks hadn’t done it, so doing it during the F2F may
get broader feedback.
- Ben volunteered to lead that discussion, Dimitris volunteered to go
back through the minutes to circulate the areas the Infrastructure WG.
Website Migration and Wiki Setup were proposed as agenda items for
discussion, but no new information was available by members on the call.
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