[cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

Tue Jun 26 07:55:59 MST 2018

Me too

From: Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:43 AM
To: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek at digicert.com>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <govreform at cabforum.org>; Ben Wilson <ben.wilson at digicert.com>; vfournier at apple.com; Dean Coclin <dean.coclin at digicert.com>
Subject: RE: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

OK, me too.

From: Tim Hollebeek [mailto:tim.hollebeek at digicert.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:44 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

I don’t think we should cancel it.  It’s our last meeting before the effective date.  I will be on the call.

-Tim

From: Govreform [mailto:govreform-bounces at cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Hall via Govreform
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

So is the Governance Change Working Group call for tomorrow (June 26) being cancelled?

There were issued we tried to discuss on the last CABF teleconference (like Associate Member representatives signing the IPRA, and the ETSI exception), but were told should be discussed first by the GCWG.  If the next WG call is July 10, that’s after the July 3 deadline for signing.

As I said on the last CABF teleconference, I plan to continue our prior practice on these two issues, and not demand signed IPRA agreements from Associate Member representatives themselves or from ETSI unless and until we specifically require it by a change to our Bylaws, so I guess missing the July 3 deadline for resolution is ok…

From: Govreform [mailto:govreform-bounces at cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Ben Wilson via Govreform
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 4:50 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

Sounds good.  Meanwhile, I'll try to write something up that frames the issues.

From: Dean Coclin

Sent: Monday, June 25, 4:41 PM

Subject: RE: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

To: Ben Wilson, vfournier at apple.com <mailto:vfournier at apple.com> 

Cc: CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List

I’m going to be taking a short break and back on July 9th.  The next meeting would be that week, July 10th.  Would that work?  A framing of the issues would be helpful.

Dean

From: Ben Wilson 

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 6:44 PM

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Subject: RE: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

Thanks, Virginia.

Dean,

As much as I like Jos, I don’t want to talk to just him, so maybe we need to re-schedule?  Can we have a call some other time this week?  If not, next week?  I suppose it would help if I framed the issues more.

Thanks,

Ben

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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 4:43 PM

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Subject: Re: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

Hi - I’d like to have input into those items as well, so please don’t consider anything final.

Best regards,

Virginia Fournier

Senior Standards Counsel

 Apple Inc.

☏ 669-227-9595

✉︎ vmf at apple.com <mailto:vmf at apple.com> 

On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Dean Coclin <dean.coclin at digicert.com <mailto:dean.coclin at digicert.com> > wrote:

Yes, that makes sense. But since Virginia and I can’t join, I guess that leaves you and Jos, unless others can join?

From: Ben Wilson 

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 4:43 PM

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Subject: Re: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

I think we need to address items raised during the face-to-face.

From: vfournier at apple.com <mailto:vfournier at apple.com>  <vfournier at apple.com <mailto:vfournier at apple.com> > on behalf of Virginia Fournier <vfournier at apple.com <mailto:vfournier at apple.com> >

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 1:35:10 PM

To: Dean Coclin; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List

Cc: Ben Wilson

Subject: Re: [cabf_governance] CABF Governance Reform WG

Hi, 

I have a conflict as well.

Best regards,

Virginia Fournier

Senior Standards Counsel

 Apple Inc.

☏ 669-227-9595

✉︎ vmf at apple.com <mailto:vmf at apple.com> 

On Jun 25, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Dean Coclin via Govreform <govreform at cabforum.org <mailto:govreform at cabforum.org> > wrote:

Hi,

I won’t be able to join this call tomorrow. 

Ben-can you lead it or do we even need to have it?

Dean

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