[cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents

Dimitris Zacharopoulos jimmy at it.auth.gr
Tue Feb 6 12:09:50 MST 2018



On 6/2/2018 9:02 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:
>
> I’m still confused. The requirements from browsers is 411-1.
>

But the new Bylaws are not only for Browsers :-)

The Server Certificates WG will require ETSI EN 319 411-1 BUT IT SHOULD
ALSO require not just WebTrust for CAs but also WebTrust for CAs
Baseline and NetSec.

Dimitris.

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> *From:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos [mailto:jimmy at it.auth.gr]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:01 PM
> *To:* Dean Coclin <dean.coclin at digicert.com>; CA/Browser Forum
> Governance WG List <govreform at cabforum.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents
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> On 6/2/2018 8:15 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:
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>     Dimitris,
>
>     We currently list ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to 401?
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>
> 411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and Network Security Requirements,
> which is equal to WebTrust for CAs Baseline and NetSec.
> 401 covers similar items as WebTrust for CAs.
>
> Dimitris.
>
>
>
>     Dean
>
>      
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>     *From:*Govreform [mailto:govreform-bounces at cabforum.org] *On
>     Behalf Of *Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Govreform
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:16 PM
>     *To:* Virginia Fournier <vfournier at apple.com>
>     <mailto:vfournier at apple.com>
>     *Cc:* CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <govreform at cabforum.org>
>     <mailto:govreform at cabforum.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents
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>     On 6/2/2018 6:25 μμ, Virginia Fournier wrote:
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>         Hi Dimitris,
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>          
>
>         Would you please let us know what changes you’d propose to
>         resolve the issues you’ve mentioned below?  Your changes
>         weren’t left out intentionally - we probably just missed your
>         request. Thanks.
>
>
>     Certainly. I have attached a red-lined version of the proposed
>     changes on the "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc" file, to align
>     the ETSI audit criteria with WebTrust. I also made a small
>     reference correction to the "Certificate Consumer" definition.
>
>     However, I couldn't provide an easy language fix for the
>     requirement 2.1 a, and I hope the WG will be able to discuss on a
>     future call. I will try to highlight the problem and propose some
>     language to resolve the loop.
>
>     Here are the current definitions:
>
>     _(1) "Certificate Issuer_: The member organization operates a
>     certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust
>     for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
>     properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and
>     that actively issues certificates to end entities, such
>     certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer
>     Member.  Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but
>     otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member
>     status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated
>     by the Forum"
>
>     _(2) _"_Root Certificate Issuer_: The member organization operates
>     a certification authority that has a current and successful
>     WebTrust for CAs,or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
>     properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and
>     that issues certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn,
>     actively issue certificates to end entities such certificates
>     being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer Member. 
>     Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but
>     otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member
>     status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated
>     by the Forum. "
>
>     _(3) _"_Certificate Consumer_: The member organization produces a
>     software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the
>     general public for relying upon certificates and is a member of a
>     Working Group"
>
>     First of all, since 2.1 talks about "qualifying for Forum
>     Membership", which I understand to mean "Applicants", I propose we
>     replace "member organization" to "applicant organization". In
>     order to resolve the loop problem, perhaps the part of the
>     "Certificate Consumer" definition that talks about software
>     intended for use by the general public for relying upon
>     certificates, should be included in the definitions of (1) and (2).
>
>     Here is a suggestion for these definitions:
>
>     _(1) "Certificate Issuer_: The applicant organization operates a
>     certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust
>     for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
>     properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and
>     that actively issues certificates to end entities, such
>     certificates being treated as valid by a software product, such as
>     a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon
>     certificates. Applicants that are not actively issuing
>     certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted
>     Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time
>     to be designated by the Forum"
>
>     _(2) _"_Root Certificate Issuer_: The applicant organization
>     operates a certification authority that has a current and
>     successful WebTrust for CAs,or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report
>     prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working
>     Group, and that issues certificates to subordinate CAs that, in
>     turn, actively issue certificates to end entities such
>     certificates being treated as valid by a software product, such as
>     a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon
>     certificates.Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates
>     but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate
>     Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be
>     designated by the Forum. "
>
>     _(3) _"_Certificate Consumer_: The applicant organization produces
>     a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the
>     general public for relying upon certificates and is a member of a
>     Working Group"
>
>
>     Thank you,
>     Dimitris.
>
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>          
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>         Virginia Fournier
>
>         Sent from my iPhone
>
>         Please excuse iTypos
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>         On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos
>         <jimmy at it.auth.gr <mailto:jimmy at it.auth.gr>> wrote:
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>             Hello all,
>
>             I reviewed the diffs and the proposed alignment between
>             WebTrust and ETSI is not included in the proposed Bylaws
>             draft (2.1a). I sent a proposal on Jan 9th
>             (https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html
>             <https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html>)
>             about the Server Certificate Working Group Charter but the
>             concept is the same for the Bylaws.
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>               * If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs"
>                 audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit should be "*ETSI
>                 EN 319 401*". This probably fits best for the Bylaws.
>               * If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs +
>                 WebTrust Baseline + NetSec " audit, then the
>                 equivalent ETSI audit should be "ETSI EN 319 411-1".
>                 This probably fits best for the Server Certificate
>                 Working Group Charter.
>
>             The old ETSI TS standards should not be included in the
>             new bylaws.
>
>             I was also puzzled with the following requirement in the
>             Bylaws (section 2.1a) "such certificates being treated as
>             valid by a Certificate Consumer*Member*". So, if a CA
>             issues Certificates for Digital Signatures which are
>             trusted by Adobe and Adobe is not a Member of the Forum,
>             then this CA doesn't meet the requirements. Is this a
>             correct interpretation?
>
>
>             Best regards,
>             Dimitris.
>
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>             On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia Fournier via Govreform wrote:
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>                 Hi all,
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>
>                 My apologies, I have a conflict for tomorrow’s meeting
>                 and will not be able to attend.  I am sending what I
>                 hope are virtually final versions of the documents.  I
>                 am sending diff files for the Bylaws and IPR policy,
>                 as the Word compare function will not cooperate. The
>                 diffs may be easier to read in the end anyway.
>
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>                 As you may have seen from my email earlier today, we
>                 have to cut off any new issues, content, etc. from
>                 being added to the ballot so we can finalize it.  From
>                 this point forward, we need to just review what we
>                 have, clean up typos or any errors in the ballot, and
>                 move it forward.  With this in mind, I’d appreciate it
>                 if you’d review the documents attached/referenced
>                 below to see if there are any corrections/adjustments
>                 that need to be made.  We can keep a list of
>                 additional issues that should be addressed for the
>                 next ballot.
>
>
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>
>                 What is the status of the Server Certificate WG
>                 charter?  I sent some comments to Dean/Ben - have you
>                 had a chance to look at those?  We need the final
>                 version of that document also to complete the package.
>
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>                 I’d like to send the documents out early next week and
>                 start an “informal” discussion period of 7 days next
>                 for any questions people may have.  Does anyone see
>                 any obstacles to doing that?
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>                 Here’s the diff for the Bylaws (all changes since
>                 version 1.7 shown).
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>                 https://draftable.com/compare/JHYFfXWaHGRx
>                 <https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/uyKpIpWVOanrzEuutNyKQlSALyoi3PkQHMormrBAvWs=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdraftable.com%2Fcompare%2FJHYFfXWaHGRx>
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>                  
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>                 Here’s the diff for the IPR Policy (all changes since
>                 version 1.2 shown:
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>                  
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>                 https://draftable.com/compare/QuHvYZiCAAUr
>                 <https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/8q3XvGqohjM8pvFAj8n2TNaDAB0so_mrZcspY58oCLE=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdraftable.com%2Fcompare%2FQuHvYZiCAAUr>
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>                 Best regards,
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>                  
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>                 Virginia Fournier
>
>                 Senior Standards Counsel
>
>                  Apple Inc.
>
>                 ☏669-227-9595
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>                 ✉︎ vmf at apple.com <mailto:vmf at apple.com>
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>                 On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Virginia Fournier via
>                 Govreform <govreform at cabforum.org
>                 <mailto:govreform at cabforum.org>> wrote:
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>                  
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>                 Hello all,
>
>                  
>
>                 Here are the final documents for Ballot 206.  Please
>                 confirm that you’re ready to go forward with them in
>                 January after the holidays.  Please also let me know
>                 if you can open the Bylaws diff file.  What is the
>                 status of the Server Certificate WG’s charter?  Thanks
>                 for everyone’s hard work on this project.
>
>                  
>
>                 <CABF_Ballot206_20DEC17.docx>
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>                 <CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_clean.doc>
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>                 <CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_redline.doc>
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>                 <CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_20DEC17_clean.doc>
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>                 <CABF-Governance Change FAQ_20DEC17.docx>
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>                 <Bylaws DiffNow Comparison Report.htm>
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>                 Best regards,
>
>                  
>
>                 Virginia Fournier
>
>                 Senior Standards Counsel
>
>                  Apple Inc.
>
>                 ☏669-227-9595
>
>                 ✉︎ vmf at apple.com <mailto:vmf at apple.com>
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