<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Tim,<div><br></div><div>I think including the format of this specific date type in the definition is totally reasonable, given that it’s not applicable to any other date types and so can very much exist intrinsically as part of the definition. That is, I don’t agree with the seemingly hard line you’re drawing in your statement — and, even moreso, I don’t believe such a statement is backed by consensus within the Forum so I also don’t want it construed as more than your opinion, as indeed is my above statement that it can be part of the definition.</div><div><br></div><div>All that said, I do agree putting it in-line in the EVGs would work just fine too. Are you then imagining we would repeat this format requirement alongside each of the four times the term is used in 7.1.4.2.5 or just state it once somewhere in that section? Do you have some example text you can provide to show what you’re proposing as an alternative approach?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>-Clint<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 26, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Tim Hollebeek via Validation <validation@cabforum.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">This is a requirement, and any requirements around how dates should be formatted need to be stated as such in the appropriate profile section. It MUST NOT be stated in the definition.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor blue; border-image: none; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Validation <validation-bounces@cabforum.org><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Validation<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, August 23, 2024 2:26 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CABforum3 <validation@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_validation] Proposed ballot on improving Registration Number language in EVGs<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On 16/8/2024 2:53 π.μ., Clint Wilson via Validation wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Hi Corey,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Overall this seems like a good improvement to clarity of the current expectations related to these sections of the EVGs, reflecting the predominant approach to populating the subject:serialNumber field for EV TLS certificates. I do think it would be valuable to standardize on a date format (admittedly somewhat because it feels like a missed opportunity to not do so). What about something like modifying the newly added definition:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0in;"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">**Date of Formation**: The date on which a Legal Entity is first recognized by the jurisdiction in which it was created or formed. The date is formatted according to the complete representation of an extended format calendar date in ISO 8601 (i.e. YYYY-MM-DD; e.g. 0001-01-01).<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><br>Hi Clint,<br><br>I'm in favor of examples where they help avoid unintended mistakes, so I would support adding something like "e.g. 2000-12-31" to make it abundantly clear where the month and day is supposed to be represented.<br><br><br>Thanks,<br>Dimitris.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">The parenthetical is probably too much, but you get the idea. And then the three instances of "in any one of the common date formats” could just be deleted.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">-Clint<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Aug 9, 2024, at 8:55<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span>AM, Corey Bonnell via Validation<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:validation@cabforum.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><validation@cabforum.org></a>wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Some time ago, I presented [1] a ballot proposal on improving the requirements for the Registration Number value in the EVGs. Here is the current proposal:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/main...CBonnell:servercert:govt-entity-serial-number" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);">https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/main...CBonnell:servercert:govt-entity-serial-number</span></a>.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">On the call where the proposal was presented, there was a desire to explore standardizing date formats for the Date of Formation. Is this something that we would like to see added to the ballot? For the sake of minimizing scope of the ballot, I’m in favor of moving forward without such a requirement, but will certainly be happy to incorporate if there are strong feelings that such a requirement should be added in this ballot.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Corey</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">[1]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/validation/2024-July/001997.html" style="color: blue; 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