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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p><span style='color:#212121'>These are the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=outlook-search-highlight><span style='color:#212121'>Final</span></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#212121'> </span></span><span class=outlook-search-highlight><span style='color:#212121'>Minutes</span></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#212121'> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>of the Teleconference described in the subject of this message, prepared by<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>Martijn Katerbarg</span><span style='color:#212121'>(</span><span style='color:#212121'>Sectigo</span><span style='color:#212121'>).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>==Note Well==</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Corey read the Note Well.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>==Attendees==<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron Poulsen (Amazon), Abhishek Bhat (eMudhra), Adrian Mueller (SwissSign), Adriano Santoni (Actalis S.p.A.), Andrea Holland (VikingCloud), Andreas Henschel (D-TRUST), Antti Backman (Telia Company), An Yin (iTrusChina), Arno Fiedler (ETSI), Arvid Vermote (GlobalSign), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Bruce Morton (Entrust), Chorus Li (iTrusChina), Christophe Bonjean (GlobalSign), Chya-Hung Tsai (TWCA), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell (DigiCert), Dave Chin (CPA Canada/WebTrust), Dean Coclin (DigiCert), Devon O'Brien (Google), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Dong Wha Shin (MOIS (Ministry of Interior and Safety) of the republic of Korea), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Eva Van Steenberge (GlobalSign), Hannah Sokol (Microsoft), Hogeun Yoo (NAVER Cloud Trust Services), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Inigo Barreira (Sectigo), Janet Hines (VikingCloud), Jeremy Rowley (DigiCert), Joanna Brawata (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum)), John Sarapata (Google Trust Services), Josselin Allemandou (Certigna), Jozef Nigut (Disig), Kateryna Aleksieieva (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum)), Keshava Nagaraju (eMudhra), Kiran Tummala (Microsoft), Leo Grove (SSL.com), Luis Cervantes (GoDaddy), Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS), Mahua Chaudhuri (Microsoft), Marco Schambach (IdenTrust), Martijn Katerbarg (Sectigo), Mats Rosberg (Keyfactor), Matthias Wiedenhorst (ACAB Council), Michal Malinowski (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum)), Miguel Sanchez (Google Trust Services), Michelle Coon (OATI), Mohit Kumar (GlobalSign), Mrugesh Chandarana (IdenTrust), Nargis Mannan (VikingCloud), Nate Smith (GoDaddy), Naveen Kumar (eMudhra), Nick France (Sectigo), Nicol So (CommScope), Paul Brown (GlobalSign), Paul van Brouwershaven (Entrust), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Pekka Lahtiharju (Telia Company), Peter Miskovic (Disig), Prachi Jain (Fastly), Puja Sehgal (Microsoft), Rebecca Kelly (SSL.com), Rob Stradling (Sectigo), Romain Delval (Certigna), Roman Fischer (SwissSign), Ryan Dickson (Google), Scott Rea </span><span lang=SV style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>(</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>eMudhra), Sissel Hoel (Buypass AS), Stefan Kirch (Telekom Security), Stephen Davidson (DigiCert), Sven Rajala (Keyfactor), Tadahiko Ito (SECOM Trust Systems), Thomas Zermeno (SSL.com), Tim Callan (Sectigo), Tim Crawford (CPA Canada/WebTrust), Tim Hollebeek (DigiCert), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Tsung-Min Kuo (Chunghwa Telecom), Wayne Thayer (Fastly), Wei-Hao Tung (Chunghwa Telecom), Yoshihiko Matsuo (Japan Registry Services)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>==Agenda==</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>No changes to the agenda are requested.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Report on progress since F2F #61</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>No discussion based on the presentation provided by Corey. Presentation is attached to this email.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Discussion on converting validation-sc to the validation-wg</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Corey presented a background and proposal for transforming the validation subcommittee into a working group. Presentation is attached to this email.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Martijn asks what the idea is around creating a new document, and allowing working groups to incorporate that, but also override it.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Corey confirms that yes, that indeed should be possible, although we should be careful with overriding items. Much like the NSRs are now incorporated based on a specific version, this potential document could be used in the same way.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim H. raises the option of making this document a library type of document, so each working group can decide for themselves which methods they would like to allow.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Wayne states he’s not very keen on having such a setup, where each working group would need to update the version every time there is a change.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim H. brings up the option about doing a single cross-working group ballot, although this needs to be allowed in the Bylaws.<br>Paul points this out as a probable problem. Alternatively the Validation WG could potentially be setup as a cross-working group-group, again with Bylaws changes.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Clint points out this is likely non-starter for Apple’s participation.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Wayne adds that for IPR protection we need to be keeping to a single working group. It seems we don’t directly have an end-goal in mind, while we seem to be continuing to create more working groups.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Paul provides the option of having SCWG members automatically become members of the ValidationWG, something much relate to how they currently become members of the ValidationSC. Would that not clear IPR issues if the ballot passes in the ValidationWG?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim H. adds that there’s currently no such thing as a cross-working group, not even the Forum is that. We need to figure out how this would work.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Clint raises concerns with the cost-vs-benefit of doing this transformation. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>There were differing perspectives on the idea, with some expressing skepticism and concerns about potential conflicts of interest.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>The next step proposed was to create a charter for the working group to further inform the discussion and address concerns.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Improvement on language for the serialNumber attribute for Government Entities</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>This discussion was moved to the next meeting instead.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>=== Meeting adjourned ===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management (CA/B Forum)" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="mailto:management+unsubscribe@groups.cabforum.org" title="mailto:management+unsubscribe@groups.cabforum.org"><span 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class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>'Martijn Katerbarg' via Management (CA/B Forum) <<a href="mailto:management@groups.cabforum.org">management@groups.cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 25 June 2024 at 13:28<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:management@groups.cabforum.org">management@groups.cabforum.org</a> <<a href="mailto:management@groups.cabforum.org">management@groups.cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[management] Draft Minutes of the Validation Subcommittee F2F-62 May 30, 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:#212121'>These are the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=outlook-search-highlight>Draft</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=outlook-search-highlight>Minutes</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>of the Teleconference described in the subject of this message, prepared by </span><span style='color:#212121'>Martijn Katerbarg</span><span style='color:#212121'> (</span><span style='color:#212121'>Sectigo</span><span style='color:#212121'>).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='caret-color:rgb(33,33,33);font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>Please review the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=outlook-search-highlight>minutes</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>and propose edits if necessary. These<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=outlook-search-highlight>minutes</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>will be considered for approval at the next meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>==Note Well==</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Corey read the Note Well.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>==Attendees==</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron Poulsen (Amazon), Abhishek Bhat (eMudhra), Adrian Mueller (SwissSign), Adriano Santoni (Actalis S.p.A.), Andrea Holland (VikingCloud), Andreas Henschel (D-TRUST), Antti Backman (Telia Company), An Yin (iTrusChina), Arno Fiedler (ETSI), Arvid Vermote (GlobalSign), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Bruce Morton (Entrust), Chorus Li (iTrusChina), Christophe Bonjean (GlobalSign), Chya-Hung Tsai (TWCA), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell (DigiCert), Dave Chin (CPA Canada/WebTrust), Dean Coclin (DigiCert), Devon O'Brien (Google), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Dong Wha Shin (MOIS (Ministry of Interior and Safety) of the republic of Korea), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Eva Van Steenberge (GlobalSign), Hannah Sokol (Microsoft), Hogeun Yoo (NAVER Cloud Trust Services), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Inigo Barreira (Sectigo), Janet Hines (VikingCloud), Jeremy Rowley (DigiCert), Joanna Brawata (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum)), John Sarapata (Google Trust Services), Josselin Allemandou (Certigna), Jozef Nigut (Disig), Kateryna Aleksieieva (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum)), Keshava Nagaraju (eMudhra), Kiran Tummala (Microsoft), Leo Grove (SSL.com), Luis Cervantes (GoDaddy), Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS), Mahua Chaudhuri (Microsoft), Marco Schambach (IdenTrust), Martijn Katerbarg (Sectigo), Mats Rosberg (Keyfactor), Matthias Wiedenhorst (ACAB Council), Michal Malinowski (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum)), Miguel Sanchez (Google Trust Services), Michelle Coon (OATI), Mohit Kumar (GlobalSign), Mrugesh Chandarana (IdenTrust), Nargis Mannan (VikingCloud), Nate Smith (GoDaddy), Naveen Kumar (eMudhra), Nick France (Sectigo), Nicol So (CommScope), Paul Brown (GlobalSign), Paul van Brouwershaven (Entrust), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Pekka Lahtiharju (Telia Company), Peter Miskovic (Disig), Prachi Jain (Fastly), Puja Sehgal (Microsoft), Rebecca Kelly (SSL.com), Rob Stradling (Sectigo), Romain Delval (Certigna), Roman Fischer (SwissSign), Ryan Dickson (Google), Sissel Hoel (Buypass AS), Stefan Kirch (Telekom Security), Stephen Davidson (DigiCert), Sven Rajala (Keyfactor), Tadahiko Ito (SECOM Trust Systems), Thomas Zermeno (SSL.com), Tim Callan (Sectigo), Tim Crawford (CPA Canada/WebTrust), Tim Hollebeek (DigiCert), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Tsung-Min Kuo (Chunghwa Telecom), Wayne Thayer (Fastly), Wei-Hao Tung (Chunghwa Telecom), Yoshihiko Matsuo (Japan Registry Services)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>==Agenda==</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>No changes to the agenda are requested.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Report on progress since F2F #61</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>No discussion based on the presentation provided by Corey. Presentation is attached to this email.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Discussion on converting validation-sc to the validation-wg</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Corey presented a background and proposal for transforming the validation subcommittee into a working group. Presentation is attached to this email.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Martijn asks what the idea is around creating a new document, and allowing working groups to incorporate that, but also override it. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Corey confirms that yes, that indeed should be possible, although we should be careful with overriding items. Much like the NSRs are now incorporated based on a specific version, this potential document could be used in the same way.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Tim H. raises the option of making this document a library type of document, so each working group can decide for themselves which methods they would like to allow. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Wayne states he’s not very keen on having such a setup, where each working group would need to update the version every time there is a change.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Tim H. brings up the option about doing a single cross-working group ballot, although this needs to be allowed in the Bylaws.<br>Paul points this out as a probable problem. Alternatively the Validation WG could potentially be setup as a cross-working group-group, again with Bylaws changes.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Clint points out this is likely non-starter for Apple’s participation.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Wayne adds that for IPR protection we need to be keeping to a single working group. It seems we don’t directly have an end-goal in mind, while we seem to be continuing to create more working groups.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Paul provides the option of having SCWG members automatically become members of the ValidationWG, something much relate to how they currently become members of the ValidationSC. Would that not clear IPR issues if the ballot passes in the ValidationWG?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Tim H. adds that there’s currently no such thing as a cross-working group, not even the Forum is that. We need to figure out how this would work.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Clint raises concerns with the cost-vs-benefit of doing this transformation. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There were differing perspectives on the idea, with some expressing skepticism and concerns about potential conflicts of interest. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The next step proposed was to create a charter for the working group to further inform the discussion and address concerns.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Improvement on language for the serialNumber attribute for Government Entities</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This discussion was moved to the next meeting instead.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=== Meeting adjourned ===</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>