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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>These minutes were approved on today’s validation-sc call.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Minutes from Validation Working Group Meeting 2024-01-25</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Minute Taker</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>: Janet Hines (VikingCloud) <br><br><b>Attendees</b>: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron Gable (Let's Encrypt), Aaron Poulsen (Amazon), Abhishek Bhat (eMudhra), Aneta Wojtczak-Iwanicka (Microsoft), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Bruce Morton (Entrust), Cade Cairns (Google), Chris Clements (Google), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell (DigiCert), David Kluge (Google), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Eva Vansteenberge (GlobalSign), Inigo Barreira (Sectigo), Janet Hines (VikingCloud), Johnny Reading (GoDaddy), Joseph Ramm (OATI), Keshava Nagaraju (eMudhra), Kiran Tummala (Microsoft), Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS), Martijn Katerbarg (Sectigo), Michael Slaughter (Amazon), Michelle Coon (OATI), Miguel Sanchez (Google), Nargis Mannan (VikingCloud), Paul van Brouwershaven (Entrust), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Pekka Lahtiharju (Telia Company), Rebecca Kelley (Apple), Roman Fischer (SwissSign), Scott Rea (eMudhra), Sissel Hoel (Buypass AS), Stephen Davidson (DigiCert), Thomas Zermeno (SSL.com), Tim Hollebeek (DigiCert), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Wayne Thayer (Fastly), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority)</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Corey Bonnell read the note well statement.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Agenda:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0in;padding-inline-start: 2.5em;caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Status update on MPIC work (if needed)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Discussion on GlobalSign’s automation improvement language (proposal will be circulated prior to meeting)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Continue discussion on identifying Delegated Third Parties (DTPs) in the context of domain validation.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Approval of minutes:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>December 14, 2023 meeting minutes were approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>January 11, 2024 meeting minutes which were recirculated with minor correction were approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Upcoming Meetings:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>The February 8 meeting will be spent preparing for the face-to-face meeting. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>The February 22 meeting may be canceled due to travel for the face-to-face meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Status update on MPIC work:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Chris Clements: IP disclosure commitment from Princeton was finalized and signed. It grants a worldwide royalty free license for MPIC work. This will be attached to the ballot preamble. Anticipate public discussion on this ballot to start in March 2024.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim Hollebeek: Raised concerns around Princeton not signing the Cabforum IPR agreement and how to deal with any members voting ‘no’ because of the legal IP aspect of this ballot and the ballot passing as this forum ballot could override those members legal rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Chris: Wanted to have an extended discussion for the ballot due to the IPR.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Clint Wilson: Need more concrete examples of what the IPR concerns may be to have a better discussion on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: The dynamics of IPR conversations are such that it may not be possible to have an open and public discussion around all the relevant concerns. Hopeful that everyone’s legal counsel will review this ballot as well. The forum working group should discuss how to avoid ever having this problem going forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:3.0pt;caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:3.0pt;caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Automation Improvement language</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Eva Van Steenberge presented on this topic. She will distribute the PowerPoints with the background information and thoughts around the changes.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 2: Due diligence and domain validation (11.13) – Removing the reference to suggest that these checks must be performed for each certificate, but rather a check be done prior to issuance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 3: Due diligence and domain validation (11.13) – Trying to out-scope the domain validation if automated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 4: Due diligence and domain validation (11.13) – Specific out-scoping of domain validation, regardless of automated or manual, as there isn’t anything to cross-correlate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 5: Requirements for Re-use of Existing Documentation (11.14) – Wanted to make sure that the due diligence could be relied upon with prior collected information for multiple issuances, such as organization information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 6: Requirements for Re-use of Existing Documentation (11.14) – Changed wording around age for data to add conditions of reuse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 7: Requirements for Re-use of Existing Documentation (11.14) – The due diligence is not reused, but rather relied upon. Added a couple of conditions on it such as reliance on due diligence only where age is appropriate. Wanted to have the preapproved approver give their approval via an automated way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: What methods are manual verses automated?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Eva: Manual examples are phone call or notarized letter. Automated example would be approval via the portal. 11.9.2 is very similar.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: May not agree that there is meaningful difference that should cause policy differences but will review in more detail.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Eva: If automated means for the approval, then no reason to review that verses a telephone call with notes that should be reviewed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 8: Separation of Duties (14.1.3) – Removed the notion that it must be done for every certificate. It may be done for the organization and then reused in automation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 9: Verification of Approval of EV Certificate Request (11.10) – Use ‘ensure’ rather than ‘verify’ so not necessarily something that needs to be checked on each certificate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: Both words appear to say the same thing. Maybe some more words rather than changing the verb.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Eva: There is a difference in the meanings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: Don’t rely on the difference but make it more explicit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 10: Verification of Signature on Subscriber Agreement and EV Certificate Requests (11.9) – Previous language suggests Certificate Request was pre-authorized, when 11.8.4 is about pre-authorization of the certificate Approver (who can subsequently post-authorize new requests). Noticed this and changed it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Slide 11: Data Security (16) – At least two people needed to be involved in the issuance of a certificate. This caused more confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Clint: on Slides 3 and 4 – Wants to give the language more attention. The goal is understood, but don’t want additional consequences.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Eva: Maybe we rely on the BRs for domain validation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: Think this section is obsolete but will review as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Corey: Next steps for people to review the language and move on from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/main...chrisbn:servercert:improve-evg-automation-issue-467___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoxMzJmNTVkODE5MzhjNDk3Yjk3YjNjZDY0NmJiZmU0ZTo2OmRiM2M6MjBmMzdiZjJjZDBmYTJmNGFjNWY3YmRhZTJiZmM2NDBlNmQwODEyZTBiZDc1MzEzMjVkYzYwMzdiNGNhZTdlMDpoOkY" title="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/main...chrisbn:servercert:improve-evg-automation-issue-467"><span style='color:#0078D7'>https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/main...chrisbn:servercert:improve-evg-automation-issue-467</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Identifying DTPs in the context of Domain Validation:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Server Cert and Validation are both working on this. How to divide it up?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron Gable:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/475___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoxMzJmNTVkODE5MzhjNDk3Yjk3YjNjZDY0NmJiZmU0ZTo2OmE2ZTI6MDVmZGU1NzVhZGVlOGYzNDljNjdjMTFkZDMzNGVlZTRmYjVjMTUyNjZjMTMyOWEzOTI5MmQ4NmM1NmVmNmE1ZDpoOkY" title="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/475"><span style='color:#0078D7'>https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/475</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span> Dimitris Zacharopoulos and Mads Henriksveen have been helping with the wording, then going to send out for an official discussion period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Trying to rely on definitions and similar sentence added to 3.2.2.4 and 3.2.2.5.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>This ballot does not attempt to solve the entire problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: There is a challenge in getting the language correct for this. For example, I look up the baseline requirements to read a specific requirement while doing my validation, I open a browser to do that, have I made an error using a third-party resolver?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron: It is not a requirement that you look up the baseline requirements to do the validation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: So change it to ‘the DNS queries conducted during the course of validation …’ to tighten up the language.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron: I worry about this language, for example, for email, fax, SMS, or postal mail to domain contact, there are multiple ways to get the domain contacts so that if I used the query to DNS to get an SOA record, the DNS query isn’t required to be since there are other ways to get the information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: So, that is not the right language either. Maybe further clarification on which DNS queries are in scope and which ones aren’t without ambiguity. I don’t know what the language is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Ben Wilson: I liked the language, i.e. without the use of recursive resolvers, but when it gets down to the allowed sources, that gives me concern. You are referencing somewhere else in the document, but I am not sure where.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron: The intent is BR 1.6 for domain contact for the 3 allowed sources.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Ben: Figure out how to refer to it so that the reader looks at 1.6 for information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Martijn Katerbarg: Looking at the language and what Tim pointed out and the section is within 3.2.2.4, does it mean that it counts for the entire BRs or only the subsection of 3.2.2.4? Where does CAA fall? <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Aaron: The intent is just for 3.2.2.4. But 3.2.2.8 CAA records would not be covered. However, MPIC ballot will cover this. I will work on suggestions here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Mads Henriksveen: Prepared some slides on Allowed Sources for 3.2.2.4.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Domain Contact: - Is DNS SOA misplaced? Similar to method 13 and 14.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>WHOIS from Domain Name Registrar and Registry Operator. What are authoritative sources for WHOIS Records?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>WHOIS Lookups – using Domain Name Registrar – Which Domain Name Registrar may be used for: .com, .gr, .no, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Is there any risk here when using one of these as DTP?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:2.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Need more definition around this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: Isn’t it clear for any specific DNS Name for the registrar registry?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Mads: It isn’t clear from our perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Paul van Brouwershaven: Who is the authoritative name server? If you query for the domain at IANA should tell you which registrar to use. The problem with a third-party use here is in the parsing of that data.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Mads: Which type of service are we allowed to use?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Tim: RDAP allowance was added for the format issues. We should check in on the progress of the conversion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#212121'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Corey: Bringing this up in the Server Cert meeting may be a quicker resolution on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'>Meeting Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121'> </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:dotted windowtext 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt'><p style='line-height:12.0pt'><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif'>Company Registration Details</span></strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif'><br>VikingCloud is the registered business name of Sysxnet Limited. 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