<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">HI Adriano, <div>Sorry, as this is the SM WG I thought you were referring to S/MIME certificates, not to TLS certs.</div><div><br></div><div>The rule of thumbs that CAs must ensure that any identity information included in a certificate is validated. In particular… latest version of the BR say in 7.1.2.7.4 that the email is “Not Recommended”, and the referenced section 7.1.4.4 says that it’s required to “Ensure that the contents contain information that has been verified by the CA, independent of the Applicant”.</div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, it shouldn't happen that a CA includes an email that has not been verified… assuming that the email is still permitted, which I understand is not if we apply the “default deny” thing here.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Pedro<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 18 Sep 2023, at 08:25, Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public <smcwg-public@cabforum.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Calibri">Hi Pedro,</font></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Calibri">I think you didn't get what I mean (Jochem did). I wasn't referring to the domain part but rather the local part of the email address. To give an example, I don't see any problem in an OV cert that contains an email address of the type<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ExampleLtd@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">ExampleLtd@gmail.com</a>, although obviously<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gmail.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is a Google domain and not of Example Ltd., while I am a bit perplexed by an OV cert issued for Example Ltd. containing an email address of the type<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Name.Surname@example.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Name.Surname@example.com</a>, especially without knowing whether this address was validated with the BR method 3.2.2.1 (via domain) rather than 3.2.2.2 (via email). In the second case, the applicant demonstrated that he/she only controls the Name.Surname mailbox, but applied for an OV cert which (email aside) contains his/her company's identity; these two things don't seem to go together well, somehow, IMO.<br></font></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Calibri">Regards<br> Adriano</font></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Calibri"><br></font></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Il 16/09/2023 09:27, Pedro FUENTES ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:88121FEE-1744-4995-9F04-4F5986355157@wisekey.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">We should maybe just understand that there are companies that don’t have a corporate mail service. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">IMHO… Once the mailbox is validated, the domain component is not relevant. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Le 16 sept. 2023 à 07:23, Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><smcwg-public@cabforum.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a écrit :<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><p><font face="Calibri">Hi Jochem,</font></p><p><font face="Calibri">thanks for sharing your thoughts; as you say, they don't answer my question, but they do add useful insight.</font></p><p><font face="Calibri">Adriano</font></p><p><font face="Calibri"><br></font></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 15/09/2023 17:17, Berge, Jochem Van den ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:51e1e4caf16c412194fff03779420d29@logius.nl"><div align="center"><table width="30%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" border="1"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff00"><span style="color: red;">NOTICE:</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pay attention - external email - Sender is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:prvs=615b3b199=jochem.vanden.berge@logius.nl" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">prvs=615b3b199=jochem.vanden.berge@logius.nl</a></td></tr></tbody></table><br></div><br><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Adriano,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ve gone over the SBRGs and reading section 3.2.2 of the SBRGs I think you might have a point that it is not defined in the SBRG:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This section defines the permitted processes and procedures for confirming the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Applicant’s<o:p></o:p></b></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">control</span></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">of Mailbox Addresses to be included in issued Certificates.<o:p></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As far as I can see, if the Applicant (or it’s representative) can demonstrate control over the mailbox in question it looks like it is allowed. Other entries in section 3 or in section 7 are mute on this point.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you look at TLS certificates the relation between the (owner of a) FQDN and the organization included in the certificate can be (and often is) different (provided the applicant can prove to have control over the FQDN).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The same kind of mechanic could apply here. I think it boils down to if it ever was the intent to derive any identifying information from an email address or only use it for a cryptographic link (like TLS)?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If the decision would be that the email address should have some identifying properties I just realized that except for the obvious cases (like the one you addressed) it is very difficult to put such a requirement into words. What would be the definition of an organization controlled email address? And how would a CA be able to check that it is? The example you list of sole proprietorships can also be tricky to check by a CA, and potentially opens up a can of worms.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Long story short, my take is that it is possible and that isn’t something we can easily fix. I think it boils down to a more fundamental choice of what the intent is of the different types of profiles as defined in the SBRGs. Seeing that I wasn’t involved with the earliest beginning of this WG I can’t answer that question but I hope that other can shed some light on it</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; 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text-decoration: underline;"><smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Namens</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public<br><b>Verzonden:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>vrijdag 15 september 2023 06:55<br><b>Aan:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Smcwg-public] Individual email addresses in OV certs<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><p>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p><p>given that an S/MIME OV certificate is characterized by the fact that it conveys the identity of an organization, it is acceptable for an OV certificate to contain an email address that is clearly associated with an individual mailbox (e.g.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:name.surname@companydomain.tld" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">name.surname@companydomain.tld</a>) ? <o:p></o:p></p><p>If I'm not mistaken, this aspect is not touched on in the BR and it therefore seems reasonable to assume that the above case is permitted. However, the fact that the Applicant only controls an individual email address somehow feels "inappropriate" for an OV certificate, so to say. <o:p></o:p></p><p>It seems okay for sole proprietorships, but in other cases (legal persons with several employees) it seems inconsistent.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Maybe the answer is already there, in the BR, but I cannot see it.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Any comments welcome.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Adriano<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p></div><br><hr><font size="1" face="Arial" color="gray">Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten.<br>This message may contain information that is not intended for you. 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