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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Adriano:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Again, the requirement that RA agents “have access to information” about the security features of accepted forms of ID comes from ETSI TS 119 461.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems a reasonable stipulation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, Stephen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Smcwg-public <smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 25, 2022 1:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SMIME Certificate Working Group <smcwg-public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Smcwg-public] Ballot SMC01v3: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements” - 3.2.4.2 Validation of individual identity<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Yes, and for the same reason I propose to zap the following sentence also found in §3.2.4.2:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="fontstyle0">The CA or RA registration agent SHALL have access to authoritative sources of information on</span><br>
<span class="fontstyle0">document appearance and validation for forms of identity document accepted by the CA.</span>
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<p>That might perhaps be appropriate for legally binding digital signature certificates (e.g. eIDAS qualified), but for S/MIME certificates it's an exaggeration.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I have filed issue 190 on github to fix these two aspects:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/issues/190">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/issues/190</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Adriano<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Il 24/10/2022 17:39, Pedro FUENTES ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for bringing this up. I must confess that I oversaw that line too… and I totally agree with your views.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are methods for remote vetting that are based on document capture and face recognition that are largely sufficient for S/MIME certificates… This requirement for video identifications could be seen as reasonable for certificates used
for qualified digital signatures, but for this is totally overkill here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 Oct 2022, at 17:33, Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I apologize for raising doubts at the very "last minute", but since the SMC BR are about to be put to the vote, I wanted to give them a complete re-reading and I noticed a passage that leaves
me a little perplexed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Maybe this aspect was discussed at length, but then I missed that discussion - sorry about that (in case).<br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Under "<span class="fontstyle0">3.2.4.2 Validation of individual identity</span>" we have the following sentence:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="fontstyle0"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">The CA or RA MAY use manual (in person) or remote procedures. A remote process SHALL ensure that the Applicant has the document in hand and presents
the document</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></span><span class="fontstyle0"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">in real</span></i></span><span class="fontstyle0"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‐</span></i></span><span class="fontstyle0"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">time</span></i></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></i></span><span class="fontstyle0"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">in
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Where did we borrow "in real-time" from? Not from the TLS BR nor from EVGL, it seems.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">What's the rationale for that? It seems too demanding, to me, for S/MIME certificates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Several CAs that I am aware of are doing individual identity verification (for S/MIME certificates) based on a Photo ID and a selfie (showing both the Applicant and his/her Photo ID), and this
latter is not required to be taken in "real time".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I am therefore a bit surprised that all the people here agree on this "in real time" which implies the non-compliance of current procedures and the need to move to more complex and more expensive
procedures. Seems a bit excessive for S/MIME certificates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Il 14/10/2022 20:12, Stephen Davidson via Smcwg-public ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">NOTICE:</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black"> </span></span><span style="color:black">Pay attention - external email - Sender is<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:01000183d7b27b10-4ccf8875-64fd-49e8-817e-0df9fe3a5117-000000@amazonses.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">01000183d7b27b10-4ccf8875-64fd-49e8-817e-0df9fe3a5117-000000@amazonses.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ballot SMC01v3: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Note: the voting period for this ballot will commence following the SMCWG session at the upcoming CA/B Forum face-to-face Meeting 57.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The S/MIME Certificate Working Group was chartered to discuss, adopt, and maintain policies, frameworks, and standards for the issuance and management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates. This ballot adopts a new “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”
that includes requirements for verification of control over email addresses, identity validation for natural persons and legal entities, key management and certificate lifecycle, certificate profiles for S/MIME Certificates and Issuing CA Certificates, as
well as CA operational and audit practices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An S/MIME Certificate for the purposes of this document can be identified by the existence of an Extended Key Usage (EKU) for id-kp-emailProtection (OID: 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.3.4) and the inclusion of a rfc822Name or an otherName of type id-on-SmtpUTF8Mailbox
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<p class="MsoNormal">The following motion has been proposed by Stephen Davidson of DigiCert and endorsed by Martijn Katerbarg of Sectigo and Ben Wilson of Mozilla.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In accordance with the By-Laws, the discussion period has been extended with the distribution of this new version of the ballot, incorporating content that arose during the discussion period including regarding the use of suspension and
updating ETSI references in section 8.2.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In order for a ballot to be adopted by the SMCWG, two-thirds or more of the votes cast by the Certificate Issuers must be in favor of the ballot and more than 50% of the votes cast by the Certificate Consumers must be in favor of the ballot.
At least one member of each class must vote in favor of a ballot for it to be adopted. Quorum is the average number of Member organizations (cumulative, regardless of Class) that have participated in the previous three (3) SMCWG Meetings or Teleconferences
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<p class="MsoNormal">This ballot adopts the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates” (“S/MIME Baseline Requirements”) as Version 1.0.0.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The proposed S/MIME Baseline Requirements may be found at<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/pull/178/files">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/pull/178/files</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>or
the attached document. A redline of changes since the SMC01 Ballot discussion started may be found at<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/compare/28c0b904fe54f1c5f6c71d18c4786a3e02c76f52...b1ff7867dc85392e4c57b1993ed571e61e34dee2">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/compare/28c0b904fe54f1c5f6c71d18c4786a3e02c76f52...b1ff7867dc85392e4c57b1993ed571e61e34dee2</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">Pedro Fuentes<br>
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