<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Stephen,</div><div class="">The fact that are members raising concerns don’t have anything to do with the timing. We can’t simply apply rules such as ETSI which aim to other use cases.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are online means that are sufficiently secure for identity validation of an S/MIME certificate, and that are accepted, for example, to open bank accounts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We don’t agree with these views and we don’t endorse this requirement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Pedro</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25 Oct 2022, at 15:39, Stephen Davidson via Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org" class="">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello Adriano:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This text has been in the draft S/MIME BR for close to 10 months and has been reviewed at some length.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Certificate Consumers stated that information included in the Subject DN needs to be reliably validated, and that a link needs to be made between the Subject and the cert, whether the Subject is a legal entity or a real natural person.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The requirement in question was derived from ETSI TS 119 461, which defines baseline procedures aimed at delivering at the NCP (Normalized Certificate Policy) level.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The issue with some legacy practices is that separate images of the ID and a user could be harvested and presented without the Subject’s knowledge. By requiring their linked collection, the standard seeks to improve security in the remote vetting methods.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Best, Stephen<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 24, 2022 5:34 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Smcwg-public] [External Sender] Ballot SMC01v3: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="">All,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">I apologize for raising doubts at the very "last minute", but since the SMC BR are about to be put to the vote, I wanted to give them a complete re-reading and I noticed a passage that leaves me a little perplexed.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Maybe this aspect was discussed at length, but then I missed that discussion - sorry about that (in case).<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Under "<span class="fontstyle0">3.2.4.2 Validation of individual identity</span>" we have the following sentence:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="fontstyle0">The CA or RA MAY use manual (in person) or remote procedures. A remote process SHALL ensure that the Applicant has the document in hand and presents the document<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">in real‐time<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>in front of a camera.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote><p class="">Where did we borrow "in real-time" from? Not from the TLS BR nor from EVGL, it seems.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">What's the rationale for that? It seems too demanding, to me, for S/MIME certificates.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Several CAs that I am aware of are doing individual identity verification (for S/MIME certificates) based on a Photo ID and a selfie (showing both the Applicant and his/her Photo ID), and this latter is not required to be taken in "real time".<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">I am therefore a bit surprised that all the people here agree on this "in real time" which implies the non-compliance of current procedures and the need to move to more complex and more expensive procedures. Seems a bit excessive for S/MIME certificates.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adriano<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.399999618530273px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Il 14/10/2022 20:12, Stephen Davidson via Smcwg-public ha scritto:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div align="center" class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0" width="30%" style="width: 364px;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td valign="top" style="background-color: yellow; padding: 1pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: red;" class="">NOTICE:</span><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pay attention - external email - Sender is<a href="mailto:01000183d7b27b10-4ccf8875-64fd-49e8-817e-0df9fe3a5117-000000@amazonses.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">01000183d7b27b10-4ccf8875-64fd-49e8-817e-0df9fe3a5117-000000@amazonses.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Ballot SMC01v3: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""> </b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class="">Note: the voting period for this ballot will commence following the SMCWG session at the upcoming CA/B Forum face-to-face Meeting 57.</i><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""> </b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Purpose of Ballot:</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The S/MIME Certificate Working Group was chartered to discuss, adopt, and maintain policies, frameworks, and standards for the issuance and management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates. This ballot adopts a new “S/MIME Baseline Requirements” that includes requirements for verification of control over email addresses, identity validation for natural persons and legal entities, key management and certificate lifecycle, certificate profiles for S/MIME Certificates and Issuing CA Certificates, as well as CA operational and audit practices.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">An S/MIME Certificate for the purposes of this document can be identified by the existence of an Extended Key Usage (EKU) for id-kp-emailProtection (OID: 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.3.4) and the inclusion of a rfc822Name or an otherName of type id-on-SmtpUTF8Mailbox in the subjectAltName extension in the Certificate.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The following motion has been proposed by Stephen Davidson of DigiCert and endorsed by Martijn Katerbarg of Sectigo and Ben Wilson of Mozilla.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In accordance with the By-Laws, the discussion period has been extended with the distribution of this new version of the ballot, incorporating content that arose during the discussion period including regarding the use of suspension and updating ETSI references in section 8.2.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Charter Voting References</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Section 5.1 (“Voting Structure”) of the SMCWG Charter says:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In order for a ballot to be adopted by the SMCWG, two-thirds or more of the votes cast by the Certificate Issuers must be in favor of the ballot and more than 50% of the votes cast by the Certificate Consumers must be in favor of the ballot. At least one member of each class must vote in favor of a ballot for it to be adopted. Quorum is the average number of Member organizations (cumulative, regardless of Class) that have participated in the previous three (3) SMCWG Meetings or Teleconferences (not counting subcommittee meetings thereof).<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">— MOTION BEGINS —</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This ballot adopts the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates” (“S/MIME Baseline Requirements”) as Version 1.0.0.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The proposed S/MIME Baseline Requirements may be found at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_cabforum_smime_pull_178_files&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=ViKsFzMzVryPPmrhWUARRzFtN9tBFHUPlh1R7kiqlkQ&s=LOYHiKhih-PWeG-bMwbi7uNB7GEWS9jz6vgjsZfIzuQ&e=" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/pull/178/files</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or the attached document. A redline of changes since the SMC01 Ballot discussion started may be found at<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_cabforum_smime_compare_28c0b904fe54f1c5f6c71d18c4786a3e02c76f52...b1ff7867dc85392e4c57b1993ed571e61e34dee2&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=ViKsFzMzVryPPmrhWUARRzFtN9tBFHUPlh1R7kiqlkQ&s=mmIRbnMOVl2lXDDy225b7UMZ_pL-fDQ2kl-NJdONM5k&e=" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/compare/28c0b904fe54f1c5f6c71d18c4786a3e02c76f52...b1ff7867dc85392e4c57b1993ed571e61e34dee2</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The SMCWG Chair or Vice-Chair is permitted to update the Relevant Dates and Version Number of the S/MIME Baseline Requirements to reflect final dates.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">— MOTION ENDS —</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This ballot proposes a Final Guideline. The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Discussion (7+ days)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Start Time: 14 October 2022 14:00 ET (US Eastern)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">End Time: not before 21 October 2022 14:00 ET (US Eastern)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; 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