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<p><font face="Calibri">Yes, and for the same reason I propose to
zap the </font>following sentence also found in §3.2.4.2:</p>
<p>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="fontstyle0">The CA or RA
registration agent SHALL have access to authoritative sources
of information on<br>
document appearance and validation for forms of identity
document accepted by the CA.</span> <br style=" font-style:
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; ">
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<p>That might perhaps be appropriate for legally binding digital
signature certificates (e.g. eIDAS qualified), but for S/MIME
certificates it's an exaggeration.</p>
<p>I have filed issue 190 on github to fix these two aspects:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/issues/190">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/issues/190</a><br>
</p>
<p>Adriano<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 24/10/2022 17:39, Pedro FUENTES ha
scritto:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:A3E3CDF8-662B-429A-AE77-B6FEA6106D51@wisekey.com">
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Hello Adriano,
<div class="">Thanks for bringing this up. I must confess that I
oversaw that line too… and I totally agree with your views.</div>
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<div class="">There are methods for remote vetting that are based
on document capture and face recognition that are largely
sufficient for S/MIME certificates… This requirement for video
identifications could be seen as reasonable for certificates
used for qualified digital signatures, but for this is totally
overkill here.</div>
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<div class="">BR/P<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On 24 Oct 2022, at 17:33, Adriano Santoni via
Smcwg-public <<a
href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">All,</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">I apologize for raising
doubts at the very "last minute", but since the SMC BR
are about to be put to the vote, I wanted to give them a
complete re-reading and I noticed a passage that leaves
me a little perplexed.<br class="">
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<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
!important;" class="">Maybe this aspect was discussed at
length, but then I missed that discussion - sorry about
that (in case).</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Under "<span
class="fontstyle0">3.2.4.2 Validation of individual
identity</span>" we have the following sentence:</p>
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"
class=""><span class="fontstyle0">The CA or RA MAY use
manual (in person) or remote procedures. A remote
process SHALL ensure that the Applicant has the
document in hand and presents the document<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">in
real‐time<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>in
front of a camera.</span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
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font-variant-position: normal; font-weight: normal;
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2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
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class="">
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Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
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<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Where did we borrow "in
real-time" from? Not from the TLS BR nor from EVGL, it
seems.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">What's the rationale
for that? It seems too demanding, to me, for S/MIME
certificates.</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Several CAs that I am
aware of are doing individual identity verification (for
S/MIME certificates) based on a Photo ID and a selfie
(showing both the Applicant and his/her Photo ID), and
this latter is not required to be taken in "real time".<br
class="">
</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">I am therefore a bit
surprised that all the people here agree on this "in
real time" which implies the non-compliance of current
procedures and the need to move to more complex and more
expensive procedures. Seems a bit excessive for S/MIME
certificates.<br class="">
</p>
<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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text-decoration: none;">Il 14/10/2022 20:12, Stephen
Davidson via Smcwg-public ha scritto:<br class="">
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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SMC01v3: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline
Requirements”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></b></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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class=""> </o:p></b></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class="">Note: the
voting period for this ballot will commence
following the SMCWG session at the upcoming CA/B
Forum face-to-face Meeting 57.<o:p class=""></o:p></i></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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class=""> </o:p></b></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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of Ballot:<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The S/MIME
Certificate Working Group was chartered to discuss,
adopt, and maintain policies, frameworks, and
standards for the issuance and management of
Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates. This ballot
adopts a new “S/MIME Baseline Requirements” that
includes requirements for verification of control
over email addresses, identity validation for
natural persons and legal entities, key management
and certificate lifecycle, certificate profiles for
S/MIME Certificates and Issuing CA Certificates, as
well as CA operational and audit practices.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">An S/MIME Certificate
for the purposes of this document can be identified
by the existence of an Extended Key Usage (EKU) for
id-kp-emailProtection (OID: 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.3.4) and
the inclusion of a rfc822Name or an otherName of
type id-on-SmtpUTF8Mailbox in the subjectAltName
extension in the Certificate.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The following motion
has been proposed by Stephen Davidson of DigiCert
and endorsed by Martijn Katerbarg of Sectigo and
Ben Wilson of Mozilla.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In accordance with
the By-Laws, the discussion period has been extended
with the distribution of this new version of the
ballot, incorporating content that arose during the
discussion period including regarding the use of
suspension and updating ETSI references in section
8.2.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Voting References<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Section 5.1 (“Voting
Structure”) of the SMCWG Charter says:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In order for a ballot
to be adopted by the SMCWG, two-thirds or more of
the votes cast by the Certificate Issuers must be in
favor of the ballot and more than 50% of the votes
cast by the Certificate Consumers must be in favor
of the ballot. At least one member of each class
must vote in favor of a ballot for it to be adopted.
Quorum is the average number of Member organizations
(cumulative, regardless of Class) that have
participated in the previous three (3) SMCWG
Meetings or Teleconferences (not counting
subcommittee meetings thereof).<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">— MOTION
BEGINS —<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This ballot adopts
the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and
Management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates”
(“S/MIME Baseline Requirements”) as Version 1.0.0.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The proposed S/MIME
Baseline Requirements may be found at<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/pull/178/files"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: rgb(5,
99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/pull/178/files</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or the
attached document. A redline of changes since the
SMC01 Ballot discussion started may be found at<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/compare/28c0b904fe54f1c5f6c71d18c4786a3e02c76f52...b1ff7867dc85392e4c57b1993ed571e61e34dee2"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: rgb(5,
99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">https://github.com/cabforum/smime/compare/28c0b904fe54f1c5f6c71d18c4786a3e02c76f52...b1ff7867dc85392e4c57b1993ed571e61e34dee2</a><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The SMCWG Chair or
Vice-Chair is permitted to update the Relevant Dates
and Version Number of the S/MIME Baseline
Requirements to reflect final dates.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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ENDS —<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This ballot proposes
a Final Guideline. The procedure for approval of
this ballot is as follows:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Start Time: 14
October 2022 14:00 ET (US Eastern)<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">End Time: not before
21 October 2022 14:00 ET (US Eastern)<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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days)<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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confirmed<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">End Time: To be
confirmed<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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