<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Pedro,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There may well be impact to both the ideal wording in the guidelines, and to impacted practices. The goal, as I understand it, is at a high-level to establish a set of requirements which define processes that result in a consistent output of information in a certificate, assuming the same input, regardless of issuing CA. As I understand current practices, achieving this goal will absolutely necessitate <i class="">some</i> alteration to <i class="">some</i> implemented practices.</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 29, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Pedro FUENTES <<a href="mailto:pfuentes@WISEKEY.COM" class="">pfuentes@WISEKEY.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks, Clint. Therefore, your understanding is that the C/ST/L are related always to the O, and not to the person that is getting the certificate. This definitely implies to change the current writing of the guidelines, as we noticed yesterday.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To be in the same page, these examples would be <b class="">impacted</b> practices:</div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">Company “Foo” is registered in the US. There’s an employee that represents the company sales operation in Mexico, but there’s not Mexican registered company. In this case the employee can’t get a certificate stating “Mexico” as country. His certificate must always include “C=US”</li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote>This reflects my understanding.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">Company “Bar” is registered in California, USA. There’s an employee working in the Chicago office, but this is just a sales office. All important operations (e.g. Billing) are in California. In this case the employee can’t get a certificate stating “Illinois” as State. His certificate must always include “ST=California, C=US”</li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote>That also sounds correct, in most cases. If we add that “Bar” is <span style="font-style: normal;" class=""><b class="">not</b></span> registered in Illinois nor Chicago, then I <span style="font-style: normal;" class="">think</span> it becomes correct in all cases.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are we OK with that?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As I said at the beginning, currently we use the registered address information and this is not an issue for us in particular, but I mostly want to open a discussion to ensure we are all in the same page, and to know what will be eventually forbidden.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">BR/P<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 Sep 2022, at 15:58, Clint Wilson <<a href="mailto:clintw@apple.com" class="">clintw@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">My understanding is as follows: where present, the legal entity identified in the Subject (i.e. the “O” field) is the legal entity used to populate the C, ST, and L fields as well (again, where present). That is, if there is an organization named “Foo”, and it is registered as “Foo” in South Africa, Australia, Germany, and Brazil, then it can use “Foo” as the O, and different certificates could have different C, ST, L values representing that legal entity in South Africa, Australia, Germany, or Brazil. If that same organization had a subsidiary or similar registered as “Bar” in Bulgaria, Japan, and Canada, it could use “Bar” as the O, and different certificates could have the C, ST, and L values related to Bulgaria, Japan, and Canada. “Foo” could not appear with Japan as the country, and “Bar” could not appear with Germany as the country, as those legal entities are not registered in those respective countries.<div class="">Would it help to convey the “groupings” of subjectDN values, with the goal of making it clearer what values are being populated with the same base/source data? <br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 29, 2022, at 3:55 AM, Pedro FUENTES via Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org" class="">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Well… I don’t say that it’s confusing, what I’d say is that “country of operation” is a very vague concept…<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You seem to understand that the company needs to have registered offices to operate in a country, but there are companies that operate in countries where they have people working from home (i.e. sales staff). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think we can assimilate directly concepts of BRSSL here, because in SSL the subscriber is an entity that can be an individual or a company, but there’s a clear and direct relationship between the organization name in the TLS certificates and the subscriber… In the case of SMIME this relationship between the subscriber and the organisation is not so clear at first sight.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, we could need to extend this discussion to the ST (and L, eventually), not only to the country.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">BR/P<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 Sep 2022, at 12:27, Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" class="">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 29/9/2022 12:59 μ.μ., Pedro FUENTES wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Txs. Then it could be understood that the country of the employee could be considered as a country where the company operates… I’m OK with that, and I support this interpretation, but this is not what was discussed yesterday, so we should see about the consensus on this topic.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Why is this confusing? The CA must validate that the company operates (i.e. has registered offices) at a certain location. Then, this country can be used in a sponsored validated profile. If an employee is working remotely in a country where the company does not have registered offices, then that country cannot be used in a sponsored validated profile.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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