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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think this proposed date of Oct. 2024 is far too early, as there are systems down stream which are consuming the certificates and might need to be adjusted. It will take time to inform
 the customers of the CAs, the customers need to understand and need to identify the affected systems, need to get in touch with the vendors, identify necessary changes, allocate money, get development resources, implement the changes, test them and roll them
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Smcwg-public <smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Clint Wilson via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 September 2022 18:28<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephen Davidson <Stephen.Davidson@digicert.com>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <smcwg-public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] Ballot SMC01: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you’re considering changes, one concern that I still have is there remains no deprecation date for the Legacy profile — just the callout that it will be deprecated in the future. While I don’t believe this to be a blocker to voting in
 favor of the ballot, I do think it would be better to adopt a date sooner than later so there’s ample time for CAs to adjust, rather than having a shorter time frame if a date is set in the future instead.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My proposal would be roughly (give or take a few months) October 1, 2024 as the date after which no new Legacy certs should be issued, which would mean the deprecation would complete some time in 2028. While I’d prefer an earlier deprecation
 date, as mentioned numerous times, I think this time frame remains tractable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 15, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Stephen Davidson via Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:10.5pt">Thank you Matthias.<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:10.5pt">Under the by-laws we may incorporate feedback into the text.  I will add this, as well as changes addressing some other suggestions that have been made, for circulation to the SMCWG
 before we move to ballot.<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wiedenhorst, Matthias <<a href="mailto:M.Wiedenhorst@tuvit.de"><span style="color:#0563C1">M.Wiedenhorst@tuvit.de</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 15, 2022 5:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen Davidson <<a href="mailto:Stephen.Davidson@digicert.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">Stephen.Davidson@digicert.com</span></a>>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#0563C1">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: Ballot SMC01: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:10.5pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Stephen, Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:10.5pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I just realized one issue with regard to auditing and I am very sorry that I didn’t realize it earlier
 in one of the many times I read through the draft during its creation.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:10.5pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In section 8.2, number 4 it is written: "(For audits conducted in accordance with any one of the ETSI
 standards)accredited in accordance with ISO 17065 applying the requirements specified in ETSI EN 319 403;" However, since some time the ETSI EN 319 403-1 has been released as successor of 319 403. At the time being, both versions are valid and can be used
 for CAB accreditation. I assume most CAB’s are on their way to migrate accreditation to the newer 403-1, some have already finished. Hence, section 8.2 number 4 should be amended as follows:<br>
"(For audits conducted in accordance with any one of the ETSI standards)accredited in accordance with ISO 17065 applying the requirements specified in ETSI EN 319 403<span class="apple-converted-space"><i> </i></span><i>or ETSI EN 319 403-1</i>;"</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:10.5pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In addition, a reference to the new version should be added to section 1.6.3:<br>
<i>“ETSI EN 319 403-1, Electronic Signatures and Infrastructures (ESI); Trust Service Provider Conformity Assessment; Part 1:</i></span><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:#1F497D">‐</span></i><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Requirements
 for conformity assessment bodies assessing Trust Service Providers”</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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In the provided PDF there are some sections with tables, where text of the first two columns partly overlay each other. I found examples in sections 7.1.2.3 e), 7.1.4.2.5 and 7.1.4.2.6. I realize that this is only an issue of presentation and not of content,
 but nevertheless, maybe there is a way to fix it.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Matthias</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="DE"> </span></span><span lang="DE">Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#0563C1">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im
 Auftrag von<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stephen Davidson via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag, 8. September 2022 09:03<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#0563C1">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[Smcwg-public] Ballot SMC01: Final Guideline for “S/MIME Baseline Requirements”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:10.5pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">The S/MIME Certificate Working Group was chartered to discuss, adopt, and maintain policies, frameworks, and standards
 for the issuance and management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates.  This ballot adopts a new “S/MIME Baseline Requirements” that includes requirements for verification of control over email addresses, identity validation for natural persons and legal
 entities, key management and certificate lifecycle, certificate profiles for S/MIME Certificates and Issuing CA Certificates, as well as CA operational and audit practices.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 (OID: 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.3.4) and the inclusion of a rfc822Name or an otherName of type id-on-SmtpUTF8Mailbox in the subjectAltName extension in the Certificate.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 ballot and more than 50% of the votes cast by the Certificate Consumers must be in favor of the ballot. At least one member of each class must vote in favor of a ballot for it to be adopted. Quorum is the average number of Member organizations (cumulative,
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This ballot adopts the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted S/MIME Certificates” (“S/MIME Baseline Requirements”) as Version 1.0.0.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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