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<p class="MsoNormal">Currently the text in 7.1.4.2.2 (d) says:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#24292F">Note 2</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#24292F">: For the following types of entities that do not have an identifier
from the Registration Schemes listed in <a href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/blob/preSBR/SBR.md#appendix-a---registration-schemes">Appendix A</a>:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#24292F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="background:white;box-sizing: border-box;overflow-wrap: normal;background-color:var(--color-canvas-subtle);border-radius: 6px;overflow:auto"><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* For Government Entities, the CA SHALL enter the text `Government Entity`.</span></code><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><o:p></o:p></span></code></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* For International Organization Entities, the CA SHALL enter the text `International Organization Entity`. An International Organization Entity is founded by a constituent document, e.g., a charter, treaty, convention or similar document, signed by, or on behalf of, a minimum of two Sovereign State governments.</span></code><o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">An option would be to change that text to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#24292F">Note 2</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#24292F">: For the following types of entities that do not have an identifier
from the Registration Schemes listed in <a href="https://github.com/cabforum/smime/blob/preSBR/SBR.md#appendix-a---registration-schemes">Appendix A</a>:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#24292F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="box-sizing: border-box;overflow-wrap: normal;background-color:var(--color-canvas-subtle);border-radius: 6px;overflow:auto"><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* For Government Entities, the CA SHALL enter the Registration Scheme identifier ‘GOV’</span></code><span style="color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> followed by the </span><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">2 character ISO 3166 country code for the nation in which the Government Entity is located. If the Government Entity is verified at a subdivision (state or province) level, then a plus "+" (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF-8)) followed by a 2 character ISO 3166-2 identifier for the subdivision is added.</span><code><span style="font-family:Consolas"><o:p></o:p></span></code></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* For International Organization Entities, the CA SHALL enter the Registration Scheme identifier ‘INTORG’</span></code><span style="color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> followed by the </span><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">ISO 3166 code "XG". </span><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">An International Organization Entity is founded by a constituent document, e.g., a charter, treaty, convention or similar document, signed by, or on behalf of, a minimum of two Sovereign State governments.</span></code><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">For example:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* GOVUS (Government Entity, United States)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* GOVUS+CA (Government Entity, United States - California)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">* </span><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">INTORG</span></code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">XG (</span><code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">International Organization</span></code><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F">Regards, Stephen<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#24292F"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Smcwg-public <smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Corey Bonnell via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 9, 2022 8:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <smcwg-public@cabforum.org>; Adriano Santoni <adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] [External Sender] Re: OrganizationIdentifier for Gov and Treaty Orgs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We use “XG” to denote a Registration Scheme that is employed globally. Perhaps we can co-opt that for International Orgs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 5, 2022 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Corey Bonnell <<a href="mailto:Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com">Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>>; Adriano Santoni <<a href="mailto:adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it">adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Smcwg-public] [External Sender] Re: OrganizationIdentifier for Gov and Treaty Orgs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is an interesting idea, and I like the fact that the disambiguation information is in a defined format and in a place that’s consistent with how we handle “normal” organizations, but how would it be extended to work for international
organizations? Just use something like “INTORG” for them? Or do we require naming of at least one valid jurisdictions (the requirements require two, so one is always available), like “INTORG+US”? Do we care that NORAD could be encoded as “INTORG+CA” as
well, violating encoding uniqueness? Do we go for “INTORG+US,CA” (probably not, the orgIDs are complicated enough already).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think just “INTORG” is probably fine, as hopefully names of international organizations are more likely to be globally unique, unlike things like “Ministry of Finance” which is likely to exist in many countries and needs disambiguation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Corey Bonnell via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 5, 2022 9:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Adriano Santoni <<a href="mailto:adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it">adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] [External Sender] Re: OrganizationIdentifier for Gov and Treaty Orgs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I agree there needs to disambiguating information contained within the certificate for these cases. However, mandating the use of the physical location attributes for this specific case would make the certificate profile more complex.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As an alternative approach, I suggest we define one or more orgID registration schemes and use the orgId attribute to convey the jurisdiction information. A few examples:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>A Government Entity located in Japan would have an orgID of “GOVJP”<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>A Government Entity located in California, United States would have an orgID of “GOVUS+CA”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This will provide greater consistency in the certificate profile between those organizations which have registration numbers and those that do not.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Corey<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adriano Santoni via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 5, 2022 3:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] [External Sender] Re: OrganizationIdentifier for Gov and Treaty Orgs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I totally agree with Martijn Katerbarg.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Adriano<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>ACTALIS S.p.A.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Il 05/08/2022 09:02, Martijn Katerbarg via Smcwg-public ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Should we at least subject:countryName to be present in these specific cases?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise, we could end up having certificates with a subject looking like this (OV):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>subject:organizationName: Ministry of Finance</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This leaves no way of telling for which country and entity this is. Possibly the email address tld could tell someone, but that shouldn’t be relied upon.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve done a comparison with EV certificates. There are currently EV certificates out there with O=Ministry of Finance and SN=Government Entity, spanning 12 different country codes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Smcwg-public <a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">
<smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Davidson via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 4 August 2022 16:49<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Smcwg-public] OrganizationIdentifier for Gov and Treaty Orgs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In recent calls the group discussed that some Government and International Organization entities may not have identifiers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It was agreed to adopt a similar workaround to that provided in the EV Guidelines.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have added text implementing that change as seen at <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fsmime%2Fpull%2F158%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7C0f411c93c7404dfc94a008da76288a32%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C637952213783726589%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MZM2OTOjk5dUNo52UbgMZKk%2B5OSnE5l9SZvf7L0tYi8%3D&reserved=0">
https://github.com/cabforum/smime/pull/158/files</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, Stephen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0174C3">Stephen Davidson
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#686869">Governance, Risk & Compliance<br>
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