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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 10/03/2022 14:16, Pedro FUENTES via
      Smcwg-public ha scritto:<br>
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      While I still think that we should have available placeholders to
      put “free” information that can be safely ignored by the relying
      parties, I consider that in particular the CN is not such an
      adequate placeholder, because this is the most visible field (i.e.
      what most email clients will show as the signer of a message), and
      therefore we are opening the door to phishing or MITM issues.
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            <div class="">On 10 Mar 2022, at 13:22, Doug Beattie via
              Smcwg-public <<a
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                        class="">From:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Smcwg-public
                      <<a
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                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                      Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Smcwg-public<br
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                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
                      March 10, 2022 6:46 AM<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Henschel,
                      Andreas <<a
                        href="mailto:a.henschel@d-trust.net"
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                        moz-do-not-send="true">a.henschel@d-trust.net</a>>;
                      SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a
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                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL]-Re: Common Name contents<o:p
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                    10/3/2022 1:34 μ.μ., Henschel, Andreas wrote:<o:p
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                      style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hey
                      Dimitris,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
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                      style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">in a
                      first step, pseudonyms could be allowed in
                      sponsored profiles. From an external point of
                      view, those entities have the same accepted
                      validation level as certificates with an
                      organisation profile as the organisation is
                      properly validated anyway.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  Hi Andreas,<br class="">
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                  Why should they be allowed if we cannot describe the
                  rules for it? Do you believe it is ok to have a
                  sponsored profile that allows a natural person
                  associated with a company to use any value in the
                  subjectDN of the certificate? I believe the risks for
                  allowing such a practice are not acceptable.<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
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                <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                  Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                    rgb(84, 130, 53);" class="">Values in surname and
                    givenname must be validated, yes, but let’s continue
                    to permit the enterprise RA to specify the CN, OU
                    and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                    style="color: rgb(84, 130, 53);" class="">Pseudonym
                    like we do today.  Focus on email validation rules
                    and limit the subject DN validation to  C, S, L and
                    O.  If there are usecases that demand more, then
                    let’s let them define those rules and policy OIDs to
                    be used in the certificates on top of the profiles
                    we’re defining here.</span><span style="color:
                    rgb(84, 130, 53);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  Best regards,<br class="">
                  Dimitris.<br class="">
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                  <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                      rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Kind regards,</span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                      rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Andreas</span><o:p
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                          class="">Von:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Smcwg-public<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
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                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                          class="">Im Auftrag von<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                        Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Smcwg-public<br
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                        <b class="">Gesendet:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag,
                        10. März 2022 12:25<br class="">
                        <b class="">An:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Juan
                        Ángel Martín<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          href="mailto:martin_ja@camerfirma.com"
                          style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                          text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><martin_ja@camerfirma.com></a>;
                        SMIME Certificate Working Group<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"
                          style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
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                          moz-do-not-send="true"><smcwg-public@cabforum.org></a><br
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                        <b class="">Betreff:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                        [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL]-Re: Common Name
                        contents<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      10/3/2022 1:14 μ.μ., Juan Ángel Martín wrote:<o:p
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                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dimitris,<o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">One
                      use case of pseudonyms that I know of is the need
                      for the police to sign certain messages, e.g.
                      traffic tickets, with a qualified eIDAS
                      certificate.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">But
                      the police officers do not want their name,
                      surname and personal identification document
                      number to appear on the certificate, which signs
                      the traffic ticket for unavoidable legal reasons
                      in Europe.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I
                      think it would be desirable to give an answer to
                      this need in the CABF requirements for SMIME
                      certificates.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      Thank you Juan Ángel,<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      We all agree with the end goal but we can't
                      address the concerns without answering some
                      questions regarding the validation process. For
                      example, what do those traffic tickets look like
                      in terms of the signer? Does it only have a random
                      identifier as described in the 2nd bullet of my
                      previous letter? Does it say something like
                      "Officer John"? It is important to get some
                      transparency on this so the SMCWG can develop
                      validation rules that would support this feature.<br
                        class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Best regards,<br class="">
                      Dimitris.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                    </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks,<o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Juan
                      Ángel<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
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                            class="">De:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Smcwg-public<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                            style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                            text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                            class="">En nombre de<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                          Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Smcwg-public<br
                            class="">
                          <b class="">Enviado el:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>jueves,
                          10 de marzo de 2022 10:40<br class="">
                          <b class="">Para:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wiedenhorst,
                          Matthias<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            href="mailto:M.Wiedenhorst@tuvit.de"
                            style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                            text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><M.Wiedenhorst@tuvit.de></a>;
                          SMIME Certificate Working Group<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"
                            style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                            text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><smcwg-public@cabforum.org></a><br
                            class="">
                          <b class="">Asunto:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL]-Re: Common Name
                          contents<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
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                    <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthias,<br
                        class="">
                      <br class="">
                      This is indeed a legal requirement in eIDAS and we
                      need to see its applicability for S/MIME
                      certificates.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      The problem we need to address is the fact that I
                      can validate myself to a CA with my physical
                      presence and my official name (Dimitrios
                      Zacharopoulos), and ask for a Pseudonym to be
                      included in the certificate, but the process is
                      unclear. Here are some questions/concerns (not
                      addressed explicitly to Matthias, anyone can
                      chime-in):<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;
                        font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                        sans-serif;">Could I ask that my pseudonym is
                        "Matthias Wiedenhorst" or "Mickey Mouse"? How is
                        THAT information validated so that it is not
                        misleading to Relying Parties?<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;
                        font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                        sans-serif;">Can the pseudonym be a name/value
                        that the CA decides, e.g. "Pseudonym-482733812"?
                        How is that helpful for Relying Parties?<o:p
                          class=""></o:p></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;
                        font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                        sans-serif;">Can a Relying Party ask the CA to
                        reveal the real identity of the person behind
                        the pseudonym? If this is the case, how is this
                        protecting the real person for being in danger?<o:p
                          class=""></o:p></li>
                    </ol>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
                      font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif;"><br class="">
                      Thanks,<br class="">
                      Dimitris.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                    <div class="">
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On
                        10/3/2022 9:05 π.μ., Wiedenhorst, Matthias via
                        Smcwg-public wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
                      5pt;" class="">
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hi
                          all!</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB">Article 5 (2) eIDAS reads:</span><o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i
                          class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                            font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color:
                            rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="" lang="EN-GB">“Without
                            prejudice to the legal effect given to
                            pseudonyms under national law, the use of
                            pseudonyms in electronic transactions shall
                            not be prohibited.”</span></i><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB">I am not a lawyer, but to me it
                          sounds as if prohibiting pseudonyms could
                          cause problems within the EU.</span><o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB">Legitimate use cases that I have
                          heard of from different CAs are for example
                          persons from the “law enforcement area” that
                          are in danger to be threatened or even
                          attacked in their private live when their full
                          real name is known.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB">As already pointed out, a
                          pseudonym certificate is not an anonymous
                          certificate, but only the CA is able to reveal
                          identity. Identification of the person has to
                          be performed identically as if a certificate
                          without pseudonym would be issued.</span><o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB">Best regards</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
                          lang="EN-GB">Matthias</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          class="" lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="border-style: solid none none;
                          border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color:
                          rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"
                          class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b
                              class="">Von:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Smcwg-public<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                              class="">Im Auftrag von<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stephen
                            Davidson via Smcwg-public<br class="">
                            <b class="">Gesendet:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mittwoch,
                            9. März 2022 15:34<br class="">
                            <b class="">An:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pedro
                            FUENTES<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              href="mailto:pfuentes@WISEKEY.COM"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><pfuentes@WISEKEY.COM></a>;
                            SMIME Certificate Working Group<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><smcwg-public@cabforum.org></a>;
                            Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a><br
                              class="">
                            <b class="">Betreff:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL]-Re: Common Name
                            contents<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In
                        general, the CA is supposed to validate the true
                        identity of a holder behind a
                        subject:pseudonym.  This is different from an
                        anonymous cert.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The
                        difficulty we face is that, having chosen to
                        require Subject identity information to be
                        verified, it would be inconsistent to allow the
                        freeform use of pseudonyms.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As
                        far as I know, only Germany provides the options
                        for alternative “religious names or pseudonyms”
                        on their national ID:<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/DEU-BO-02004/image-344552.html"
                          style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                          text-decoration: underline;"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/DEU-BO-02004/image-344552.html</a><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>... So
                        that significantly narrows the options for
                        verifying pseudonyms!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My
                        personal belief is that we should drop the use
                        of pseudonyms from this draft.  I hope that
                        SMCWG members that disagree with this will speak
                        up.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The
                        Mailbox-validated (MV) profiles are probably
                        more appropriate for users not wishing “real
                        name” identity to be in their certs.<o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,
                        Stephen<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="border-style: solid none none;
                          border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color:
                          rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"
                          class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b
                              class="">From:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Smcwg-public
                            <<a
                              href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                              class="">On Behalf Of<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Pedro
                            FUENTES via Smcwg-public<br class="">
                            <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                            March 7, 2022 2:35 PM<br class="">
                            <b class="">To:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris
                            Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
                              href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>;
                            SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a
                              href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br
                              class="">
                            <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL]-Re: Common Name
                            contents<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                        font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                          class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                          font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Could
                          it be just acceptable that a pseudonym is
                          freely chosen by a subscriber?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                          font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In
                          other words… could it be acceptable to have
                          names in the subjectName which don’t require
                          validation?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                          font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We
                          don’t currently use such attributes, but I
                          wonder if this could be good to reserve
                          certain flexibility for use cases where
                          anonymization is desired. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                          font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Pedro<o:p
                            class=""></o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                          12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                        <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                          margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                            12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                            sans-serif;">Le 7 mars 2022 à 18:58,
                            Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
                            Smcwg-public <<a
                              href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org"
                              style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                              text-decoration: underline;"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>>
                            a écrit :<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
                        5pt;" class="">
                        <div class="">
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                            12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                            sans-serif;"> Unless CAs have some clear
                            rules on how to validate pseudonyms, I also
                            believe we should exclude this attribute
                            from the allowed profiles which makes this
                            attribute practically not allowed. We must
                            be explicit about this because other
                            attributes may be allowed.<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            Dimitris.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                              font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                              class="">On 7/3/2022 9:41 π.μ., Adriano
                              Santoni via Smcwg-public wrote:<o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                            margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
                            <p class="">We do not support pseudonyms,
                              and do not think there is a need for them.<o:p
                                class=""></o:p></p>
                            <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                              margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">...we could even chose to
                                exclude this attribute from the allowed
                                profiles<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            </blockquote>
                            <p class="">Yes, that's what we suggest to
                              do: exclude this attribute from the
                              allowed profiles.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                            <p class="">Adriano<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                            <p class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Il 02/03/2022 18:43, Stephen
                                Davidson via Smcwg-public ha scritto:<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                              margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Hi Doug:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">1. Further to our discussion
                                today, the language in ETSI EN 319 412-2
                                probably has the clearest definition:<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class="">The commonName
                                attribute value shall contain a name of
                                the subject. This may be in the
                                subject's preferred presentation format,
                                or a format preferred by the CA, or some
                                other format. Pseudonyms, nicknames, and
                                names with spelling other than defined
                                by the registered name may be used.<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class="">NOTE 1: The
                                commonName attribute has a usage purpose
                                that is different from the required
                                choice of pseudonym or
                                givenName/surname. commonName is used
                                for user friendly representation of the
                                person's name, whereas givenName/surname
                                is used where more formal representation
                                or verification of specific identity of
                                the user is required. To maximize
                                interoperability both are considered
                                necessary.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">It does not give guidance on
                                the scope for “user friendly
                                representation of the person's name” and
                                as far as I can tell, most TSPs apply
                                either (givenName and surname) or
                                pseudonym in that field.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Notwithstanding this, our
                                previous discussions had been for the
                                commonName to include verified
                                information for the purposes of the
                                S/MIME BR, leading to the options
                                described<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_cabforum_smime_blob_preSBR_SBR.md-2371422-2Dsubject-2Ddistinguished-2Dname-2Dfields&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=NCuXVva5JxiZue0JFxEbVTEZS67ltuKPjLakEuBlN-Q&s=SikwTyV2nbwaM8CjAAm0ewzVcCUuXH_rrJl0zlNlYwQ&e="
                                  style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                                  text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">here</a>.<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""><b class=""><u class="">We are
                                    interested in hearing perspectives
                                    from both Certificate Issuers and
                                    Certificate Issuers on this point.</u></b><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">2.  The handling of
                                subject:pseudonym is still an unresolved
                                issue – and so text still needs to be
                                tightened up. We are working from the
                                basis that Subject information must be
                                verified, so this would also apply to
                                pseudonym (ie not a self reported name).
                                Pseudonym identity is, by definition,
                                linked to the person’s real identity<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">ETSI TS 199 461 tries to deal
                                with it by saying:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class="">Although the
                                outcome of the identity proofing can be
                                a pseudonym identity, identity proofing
                                requires identification of the real
                                identity of the person as determined by
                                applicable identity documents, official
                                registers or other authoritative
                                sources.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">But as far as I can tell, only
                                Germany provides pseudonym as an
                                information attribute on official
                                identity documents.  Given the lack of
                                clarity, we could even chose to exclude
                                this attribute from the allowed
                                profiles.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""><b class=""><u class="">We’d be
                                    interested to hear from Certificate
                                    Issuers what their practices are
                                    using the pseudonym in regulated
                                    certificate types.</u></b><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Best, Stephen<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Stephen Davidson<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">DigiCert Governance, Risk &
                                Compliance<br class="">
                                <a
                                  href="mailto:stephen.davidson@digicert.com"
                                  style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                                  text-decoration: underline;"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">stephen.davidson@digicert.com</a><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">O 1.441.278.2803 | M
                                1.441.505.4908<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""><code style="font-family:
                                  "Courier New";" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""> </span></code><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div class="">
                                <div style="border-style: solid none
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                                  <div style="margin: 0in; font-size:
                                    11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                    sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Doug
                                    Beattie<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                                      text-decoration: underline;"
                                      class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><doug.beattie@globalsign.com></a><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                      class="">
                                    <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday,
                                    March 2, 2022 1:10 PM<br class="">
                                    <b class="">To:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen
                                    Davidson<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:Stephen.Davidson@digicert.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99,
                                      193); text-decoration: underline;"
                                      class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><Stephen.Davidson@digicert.com></a>;
                                    SMIME Certificate Working Group<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                                      text-decoration: underline;"
                                      class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><smcwg-public@cabforum.org></a><br
                                      class="">
                                    <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Common
                                    Name contents<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Hey Stephen,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">During the call today it was
                                mentioned that all of the subject info
                                pulled from the certificates and
                                displayed via GUI needs to be validated
                                (no more OU logic). I went back and
                                looked at the options for Sponsor
                                validated certs and it permits the
                                Pseudonym to be present in the CN. <span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">I went to check the rules for
                                validation and found this:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">f.<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong
                                  class=""><span style="font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate
                                    Field:</span></strong><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code
                                  style="font-family: "Courier
                                  New";" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">subject:pseudonym</span></code><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(2.5.4.65)<br
                                  class="">
                                <strong class=""><span
                                    style="font-family: Calibri,
                                    sans-serif;" class="">Contents:</span></strong><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The
                                pseudonym attribute MUST NOT be present
                                if the givenName and/or surname
                                attribute are present. If present, the<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code
                                  style="font-family: "Courier
                                  New";" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">subject:pseudonym</span></code><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>field
                                field MUST be verified according to<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_cabforum_smime_blob_preSBR_SBR.md-23323-2Dauthentication-2Dof-2Dindividual-2Didentity&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=NCuXVva5JxiZue0JFxEbVTEZS67ltuKPjLakEuBlN-Q&s=nliz6I7gIbr8WMy3LZQ94CqxFqzTqVpunO8t0YqxuCo&e="
                                  style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);
                                  text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">Section 3.2.3</a>.<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">But I could not find any
                                references to this field in that
                                section, or section 3.2.4 that indicates
                                how this is to be validated.  Are there
                                CA validation rules for this, or can any
                                value be supplied?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class="">Doug<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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