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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Stefan et all - thank you for your responses.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We are reaching the same conclusion – and I am glad to have this clear consensus as it differs from what had previously been discussed in the WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To be clear, email validation is never delegated in our current draft SMIME BR. The CA is always responsible for email validation - similar to domain validation under the TLS BR.
<a href="https://github.com/srdavidson/smime/blob/preSBR/SBR.md">https://github.com/srdavidson/smime/blob/preSBR/SBR.md</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To summarise our past work:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>Our current profiles describe three that are solidly defined by Subject type: Mailbox, Organisation, and Individual (which currently may be Personal [no O] or Corporate [including a verified O relationship]).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>The remaining current profile - Sponsored - has up until now been defined in our discussions by ‘who is verifying the certificate’ … a delegated RA. As defined, it’s a duck amongst the chickens which is why I wanted to loop back to
this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">See also “SMIME Types” at <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEq-o4jU1FWvKBeMoncfmhAUemAgGuvVRSLQb7PedLU/edit#gid=1070281704">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEq-o4jU1FWvKBeMoncfmhAUemAgGuvVRSLQb7PedLU/edit#gid=1070281704</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">As captured by Matthias I am proposing:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>That the profile names change to Mailbox, Organisation, Individual Corporate, Individual Personal. This should simplify the definition of the profiles by their content alone.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>The Individual Corporate is effectively a combination of verified fields from Organisation and Individual Personal fields.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This will help us ensure consistency across SMIME later, no matter if the verification is done by the CA, an Enterprise RA, or a wider delegated RA. It will also facilitate writing the SMIME BR as:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>When we start defining verification steps, we can assign which fields must be done by CA and which may be delegated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>Then, audit/compliance obligations will be simpler to describe for Enterprise RA vs larger delegated RA.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We may later choose to "mark" certificates where verification is performed by a delegated RA, for example with an extension.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Regards, Stephen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Smcwg-public <smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org> On Behalf Of Stefan Selbitschka via Smcwg-public<br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 2:36 PM<br>
To: smcwg-public <smcwg-public@cabforum.org><br>
Subject: [Smcwg-public] Sponsored profile overlap</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I want to continue our today's discussion about the sponsored validation overlap.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From my understanding (till today) we had 4 profiles for different use cases and different validated content in the certificate:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- Mailbox -> email must be validated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- Organization -> email and organization must be validated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- Individual -> email and givenname + surname must be validated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- Sponsored -> organization must be validated, email and/or givenname + surname validation may be delegated to sponsor<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This leads me to this picture<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">(<a href="https://next.rundquadrat.at/s/Rx8PXs3bBdyq9Ae"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://next.rundquadrat.at/s/Rx8PXs3bBdyq9Ae</span></a>) and it was quite clear for me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Now Stephen pointed out that we could have an organization within a certificate of individual profile I get confused.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">If we now mixing an organization to the individual profile I got puzzled:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- which countryName will be applied, the country of residence of the individual or the country of juristiction of the organization?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- are the businessCategory and juridsiction* fields included in an individual certificate including an organization?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maybe someone can find a better summary of the different profiles for me to solve my confusion?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">stefan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Smcwg-public mailing list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:Smcwg-public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Smcwg-public@cabforum.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/smcwg-public"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/smcwg-public</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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